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- From: bill@ssr.hp.com (Bill Chidester)
- Subject: Re: Jet engines...
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- Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 04:46:46 GMT
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- Chris (cbusch@ub.d.umn.edu) wrote:
- : Are there actaully rc jet engines? I occasationally hear reference
-
- I've heard of two honest turbine jet engines. One was made by a group
- of Porsche RCatics (Ref. "Lunatics"), and was a one-of-a-kinder. It
- looked like it was made by Porsche engineers. When asked how much it
- cost to make, they said "Oh, maybe around $20,000". This is German for
- $50,000.
-
- There's a French firm said to be going into production of a turbofan
- engine for about $3500 -- they had one at the Topgun tourney last year
- and I've seen videos of it. It looks and sounds like a turbofan.
- I've talked to three local jet jockeys in the Orlando area who tell me
- it doesn't seem to be quite ready for the world, but one of them has
- a severe "jet Jones", and I suspect he'll get one anyhow. Starting is
- an experience -- they blow compressed air into it and hit "start".
- Away she whines...
-
- : to ducted fan engines, how do they work? If there are rc jet engines,
- : are the jet engines pulse jet or normal turbine jets?
-
- There are ram jets available, but nobody in their right mind will fly
- them. As near as I can tell, 49% of the energy emitted is heat, 50%
- is sound and about 1% is thrust.
-
- A ducted fan engine uses an extremely nervous reciprocating engine to drive
- a multibladed prop (or fan) inside a shroud. There are also stationary
- blades which serve to "unscrew" the air, resulting in a more laminar airflow
- and increased thrust. These engines usually spin >> 22,000 RPM, put out
- about 5 HP per cubic inch and have every conceivable problem a model engine
- can have -- vibration, noise, excess heat, carb instabilities, bearing
- failures and they eat $10 glowplugs by the bushel basket. If you're real
- lucky, the engine will seize when it fails and save the fan unit (only
- costing about $300 for the engine instead of $500 for the engine and fan).
- Not for beginners. Our club show team has three Byron's F-15s (two
- OS 90VFs each) and I get to see how much time it takes to keep these things
- in the air. You have to be ready to make it your life. Yet, about two
- times a year, we get people showing up at club meetings asking for help
- building a Byron or Violett jet they want to use as a "trainer". Most of
- the jet guys have been in the hobby 5 to 10 years before tackling their
- first ducted fan model.
-
- Trainers should be like first girlfriends. You will learn a lot more with
- one that's big, cheap and slow than you will with fast, good looking and
- expensive.
-
- : Just curious.
-
- Don't give up, just remember the fun you had with the big, cheap and
- slow ones...
-
- : --
- : -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Chris Busch cbusch@ub.d.umn.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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- Bill Chidester KE4WS
- bill@a3177092.ssr.hp.com
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