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- From: Michel_Denber.WBST147@xerox.com
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- Subject: Chevy 2.8L V-6 Needs Exorcist
- Date: 11 Jan 1993 08:50:01 -0600
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- Well, it looks like I may have spoken too soon when I said a new oxygen sensor
- fixed my car (88 Chevy Celebrity, 2.8L V-6 engine code W, 52K miles). Even
- using Diacom, I have to admit I'm stumped. It did run fine for a few days, but
- now here are the symptoms:
-
- 1. Occasionally fails to start when cold (around 30 deg. F lately).
-
- 2. Occasionally starts OK but then stalls immediately when cold.
-
- 3. Usually starts cold OK and runs OK.
-
- 4. Occasional "chuggle" (very brief intermittent loss of power) after 12
- minutes of operation, then return to normal.
- 5. Occasional chuggle followed by stall. May or may not restart.
-
- 6. Occasional stall at idle when warm. Acceleration and cruise are OK.
-
- Here's what Diacom tells me:
-
- 1. When cold, on initial startup, the coolant temperature sensor sometimes is
- wildly off - like it reports 0 deg. F, varying to numbers like 20, 7, 10, etc.
- When this is the case, the ECM selects a *very* large injector pulse width -
- like over 43 msec. (normal idle is at 2.1 msec.). In these cases, the car
- won't start.
-
- 2. After some instability, the temp. sensor settles down, then behaves
- normally. Now the car will start.
-
- 3. The EGR position sensor reports 0.0 volts at all times, and 0% duty cycle.
- The minimum allowable value in the book is 0.5v., even at idle.
-
- 4. When the chuggle happens, the reported rpm suddenly jumps to 6375 rpm. and
- stays there, although the actual engine speed is not changing. Sometimes the
- rpm display seems to hang, even though the actual engine speed *is* changing.
- Then the engine runs rough.
-
- 5. The O2 sensor, TPS, and MAP sensors always report reasonable numbers.
-
- 6. I finally got some ECM codes. Yesterday, it set a code 42 (EST module (i.e.
- ignition module)). However, this morning there were no codes set *even though
- I had not cleared them*. Codes are supposed to remain in memory until you
- clear them.
-
- 7. Today when it stalled, it set codes 24 (vehicle speed sensor), 35 (idle
- speed error), 41 (cylinder select error), 45 (O2 sensor rich), 54 (fuel pump
- circuit low voltage), and 55 (not listed in shop manual, Diacom calls it "ECM
- error").
-
- Other facts: when the crank sensor died last summer, the Chevy dealer performed
- the MAF to speed-density upgrade, which involves replacing the PROM in the ECM.
- If I can get it started cold, it always runs fine in the morning (no problems
- in 15 miles in to work). All the other problems happen later in the day after
- it's been driven. WIthout Diacom, I'd be completely in the dark. Right now
- though, I'm suffering from information overload - can anyone make anything out
- of this multitude of symptoms and data? Could the O2 sensor, temp. sensor, and
- EGR all really go bad at once? Is the ECM screwed? A bad connector? Anyone
- ever see anything similar? At least now I know why they call it the V-6 from
- Hell. Help!
-
- - Michel
-
- denber.wbst147@xerox.com
-