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- From: leif@tde.lth.se (Leif Olsson)
- Subject: Re: Braking techniques
- In-Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us's message of 6 Jan 93 16:56:00 GMT
- Message-ID: <1993Jan8.101016.16464@lth.se>
- Sender: newsuser@lth.se (LTH network news server)
- Organization: Applied Electronics, Lund University, Lund, Sweden
- References: <4338.88.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us>
- Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:10:16 GMT
- Lines: 76
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- In article <4338.88.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) writes:
-
- ->-> I'd much rather wear out my brake pads which are designed to be
- ->-> regularly rep my clutch which isn`t. Can someone please explain to
- ->-> me why so many people i using their transmissions as brakes?
-
- [ text deleted]
-
- -> Vehicles that were driven hard - heavy trucks and race cars - often
- ->used downshifting and engine braking to assist the rear wheels when
- ->slowing. Of course, the engine isn't much of a brake anyway - in some
- ->cars, it will hardly make a difference - but it was a necessary skill
- ->when you were trying to stop a wire-wheeled Alfa at the end of the
- ->Mulsanne Straight at LeMans. So engine braking became associated with
- ->racing, and became stylish.
-
- -> Using the engine as a brake is VERY hard on the differential and
- ->transmission, which are spirally or helically geared and designed to
- ->accept load in the other direction. I've broken one rear and two manual
- ->transmissions by letting off hard at the end of a long straight; I
- ->guarantee this is maximally exciting as you do a smoking 360 off onto
- ->the side of the road with the rear wheels locked. That's why, when I
- ->drive nowadays, the clutch pedal goes down FIRST, THEN the brake.
- ->Driving the engine instead of v. versa also reverses the film loads on
- ->the crank (usually not that bad) and causes very high intake vacuum,
- ->which can suck oil past the rings and valve guides, and past the seals
- ->on some turbo installations.
-
- I almost always use the engine as a brake when driving a car with
- manual transmission. In contrast to US > 90% of the cars here in
- Sweden has manual transmissions, drivers license tests are done in
- cars with manual transmissions, hence driving schools use cars with
- manual transmissions, and they all teach you to use the engine as a
- brake.
-
- The reasons are simple. You still have the right foot on the gas pedal
- so you can accelerate in shorter time if you need to, and you do not
- have to use the brakes that hard to get maximum braking force. An
- other reason is that if the engine stops during the braking you can
- move the car with the starter if you already are in low gears.
-
- You should however not use the engine as a brake in the winter (if
- there is snow on the roads) if the car is a rear wheel drive. You
- should not use this technique if you have a two stroke engine
- (motorbike) since the fuel supplies the oil to the engine.
-
- -> During the 1950s and 1960s, race car braking technology improved
- ->tremendously. By the 1980s most passenger cars had practically
- ->fade-proof discs, at least in front. There's no reason to use the
- ->engine to slow, or to open the door and drag your foot, which is about
- ->as effective.
-
- Your engine needs a rebuiling ;-). The only thing that is not
- effective when braking with the engine is that you do not turn your
- brake light on unless you use the brakes simultaneously.
-
- -> These minor technical difficulties are meaningless to those who think
- ->their mufflerless Toyota sounds like Fangio at the Monte Carlo, and it's
- ->probably mommy's car anyway.
-
- ->=======================================================================
- ->can you help me...help me get out of this place?...slow sedation...
- ->ain't my style, ain't my pace...giving me a number...NINE, SEVEN, EIGHT
- ->(Nazareth) XJ900 TURBO at 15psi DoD# 978 KotFAQ
- ->=======================================================================
-
-
- Leif
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