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- From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
- Subject: Re: Ford Taurus Computer
- Message-ID: <1993Jan6.011504.22034@osf.org>
- Sender: news@osf.org (USENET News System)
- Organization: Open Software Foundation
- References: <1993Jan5.190302.8197@esseye.si.com>
- Distribution: usa
- Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:15:04 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan5.190302.8197@esseye.si.com>
- scholten@esseye.si.com (David Scholten) writes:
-
- >I had a very disturbing experience with a dealership's service
- >dept. last week.
-
- Well, as much as I hate the Ford EEC-IV computer, (I've been battling it
- for a few years now), I'm gonna have to side with the dealer (gasp!) on
- this one. Read on:
-
- >I was told that the PT sensor was bad on my car. It cost $50 to hook up
- >to the computer for the diagnostic. $125 dollars to replace the sensor
- >and to clean the plates. Not knowing what a PT sensor was, all I could do
- >is accept their diagnosis.
-
- Don't feel so bad. *I* don't know what a "PT" sensor is. :-) Methinks you
- mean you mean "TP" (throttle position) sensor. Unfortunately, however,
- putting a "STAR tester" on the car to get the codes is a 5 minute job, but
- they charge you $50, just in case the CPU points out something obvious.
-
- It is a good idea to know how to do this. The sensor itself is about $40,
- and I dunno labor for doing it on a Taurus, but on my Merkur, the throttle
- body has to come off to change the TPS (unless you've got little hands). The
- cleaning is actually good for the idle condition. Still, none of that is
- as involved as it sounds, and could have been done by any half-brain, (a
- good many of whom work in Ford dealerships as "mechanics", unfortunately).
-
- >Well, when picking up the car and getting the bad part, I realized that
- >a PT sensor was nothing than a potentiometer.
-
- Yup, it's a pot that tells the computer how far you've "put the hammer
- down".
-
- >I took the part home and have sinced ohmed it out to discover that nothing
- >was wrong with the original part. I really feel like I got took!
-
- Not necessarily. Have you had an old table radio that had a "noisy" volume
- control? All that was was a pot with some continuity breaks and maybe some
- dust, and this was in the safe environment of the home. Now, imagine that
- since 1987, that there's some pot under the hood of your car, sealed up,
- but still subject to all those heat/cold/wet cycles and gets moved every
- time you move your foot. Get the idea? Even though an ohmmeter will give
- you good readings at each extreme, and readings in the middle, small noise
- variations will show up to the computer, and the computer will set a code.
- It *has* to know where the throttle is, and repeatability and a solid, un-
- varying signal is a big requirement.
-
- >The real irony to the story is that the car runs worse than it did before.
- >When I took it back, they claimed that it didn't exhibit any of the symptoms
- >I was complaining about.... so nothing touched.
-
- If they were halfway competent, they cleared your error codes by disconnecting
- the battery. However, this also makes the computer re-learn the condition of
- the vehicle (and the new sensor as a nice side effect), so for the first few
- starts, it won't be as it was when it's settled down. If it persists after
- a few days, COMPLAIN! Despite what I've said so far, they still could have
- been wrong about the sensor (Yeah, buddy, that's 'cuz your TPS is bad- we
- see that all the time), or they screwed something else up (it happnens to me
- anytime I let some grease monkey work on my car- that's why I do most of
- it myself). Did they adjust your idle as well after they had the new TPS in?
- If that's not on the work order DEMAND that they do it.
-
- Hope this helps,
- -Kenny
-
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- Kenny Crudup, Contractor, OSF DCE QA
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