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- From: brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder)
- Subject: Re: Racism Defined ...
- Message-ID: <C0Ku9A.MLr@quake.sylmar.ca.us>
- Keywords: Racism, Racialism, Power, etc.
- Organization: Quake Public Access
- References: <1992Dec13.235907.21207@microsoft.com> <11620@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> <1993Jan06.215437.15792@eng.umd.edu>
- Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 08:00:43 GMT
- Lines: 74
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- In article <1993Jan06.215437.15792@eng.umd.edu> clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) writes:
- >In article <11620@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>, nayak@dirac.scri.fsu.edu (Krishna Nayak) writes:
-
- >>the way I have always understood it, is that Racism is not simply about
- >>making an attempt to oppress/subordinate a particular group.
-
- > What is the difference between an attempt and actually doing it?
- >Whether it succeeds or not?
-
- The difference is that in order to justify their racist ideas, some people
- conveniently define racism so as to not allow it to apply to them.
-
- Racism is the the IDEA that race implies moral or intellectual characteristics.
- Of course white racists claim "We are just promoting white pride, we aren't
- anti-black." and black racists (like Farakahn) say the same thing (and in fact
- they agree with the white racists on almost every fundamental issue). Someone
- can be a racist without ever interacting with a person of another race...like
- all other "isms", racism is something you think, not something you do.
-
- If these people think that racism is something that only whites can
- exhibit, then one has to wonder just why racism is bad. One also has to
- wonder what they call the kinds of ideas and practices they are condemning
- when they are practiced by minorities...do they think it's acceptable? Do
- they think it is good? do they think is it better than white racism?
- The reason they define it that way is because they think that their kind of
- racism is OK, but they still want to condemn other kinds.
-
- >>I can "attempt" to subordinate someone by attempting to beat them up.
- >>But if I don't have the POWER to win the fight, I do not really constitute
- >>racism, because I have not subordinated the enemy in any way at all...
-
- > I have read where blacks have said that they were followed in stores
- >or watched to see if they were going to steal something. Depending on
- >how racism is defined, this may or may not be considered an act of
- >racism. If it is, then making fun of the way some whites dance might
- >also be construed as racism.
-
- What matters is the mindset involved. If the folks making fun of whites
- dancing were doing it in order to ridicule behavior which they consider to
- be based on race, then it's racist. If they are just poking fun at the
- behavior (without having the idea that being white makes one not have rhythm...
- an intellectual matter) then they are not being racists.
-
- >>Similarly, (taking a more commonly talked about situation), I would need
- >>executive power, if I wanted to restrict a particular ethnic group from
- >>being hired by my company. without power, I am doing nothing.
-
- > So if Spike Lee hires an all-black crew, is that racist?
-
- Yes, because he's doing it because he thinks that all white have certain
- ideas. That makes him a racist. (I know this from various interviews, not
- just his movies.)
-
- >I'm not
- >saying one way or the other, but one could say he has power.
-
- Sure he does. He has a heck of a lot more power than I do, but that
- doesn't matter. Some people who are very poor and powerless have
- a tremendously racist way of looking at the world.
-
- >>I always thought that having the subordinating ideas in your mind
- >>was one thing (racialism), and that to actually constitute RACISM
- >>you would need the Power to implement your views.
-
- > I think the distinction ought to be made. Nevertheless, people
- >have a hard time separating the two. If I call you an ABCD, then that
- >may not be a racist act, though it may be a racialist act. Not knowing
- >the definition of racialism, I would have to defer the definition
- >to someone like you who knows more about the topic.
-
- What I want to know is why any criticism of one wouldn't apply just as well
- to the other?
-
- --Brian
-