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- From: thomasd@tps.COM (Thomas W. Day)
- Subject: Re: DOES AMERICA SAY YES TO JAPAN? - Off track!!
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- Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:57:51 GMT
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- In article <C0I2t0.3rp@world.std.com> cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond) writes:
- >>That's one of the ways. The other way "American businesses got into
- >>trouble" was by ignoring all of the markets they didn't have the skills to
- >>participate in, like small cars. I'm not saying that Harley should ignore
- >>their present business, but they are seriously trapped in a yuppie market
- >>that has limits. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
-
- >I had been staying out of this , but for someone who claims to be a rider to
- >make this statement completely astounds me. Yes I am a rider, and yes I have
- >owned/ridden some very quick sport bikes. Maybe my next bike will be a Harley.
-
- Good point and good luck with your next bike. My view opinion comes from
- the fact that the typical Harley costs, I think, about $18-20k. I don't
- know of any non-yuppies who can afford that kind of machine. Maybe you do.
- I'm not one of them. $6k is streaching my limits and that will get me an
- 850cc Yamaha TDM which out performs any 2 cylinder Harley makes and I can
- ride it places that you would need a crane to maneuver a Harley around.
-
- From a sales and marketing standpoint, I don't know how the $20k bike market
- can't be limited. Not that many riders have $20 invested in a *collection*
- of bikes. From an observers standpoint, look at the people riding *new*
- Harleys. Do you see a lot of middle income, dedicated riders? Do you find
- a lot of people who commute to work every day on their Harley? I don't
- think so.
-
- Also, all of my friends who ride Harley's (a small sample of 8) barely
- ride the bike. They bought their Harley because they wanted one when they
- were kids. Most of them own Japanese bikes too, and the Harley gets about
- 1/10th of the miles of their "regular" bike, per year. Try riding a Harley
- across the country and you will see why. As an example, one of these
- friends bought his bike in Missouri last year and rode it home to San
- Clemency, CA. His back is still recovering from the pounding it took on
- that trip. His wife rode with him on his old Venture and she said he had to
- make recovery stops every 100 miles. He rode *to* Missouri on the Venture
- with no problems and drove non-stop (except for fuel) to Omaha on that part
- of the trip. He is still trying to get the bike back in road condition
- after the trip. Look at the January issue of Motorcycle Consumer News (page
- 33) for an example of why is is losing that fight. Those "high tech drive
- belts" can be a nightmare. You make the call. I just can't consider than
- kind of limited vehicle a road bike and what else could a Harley be?
-
- I really got into this because I didn't think using Harley as a valid
- example of new-style American manufacturing success. I think they are a
- relic. In the '60s, I raced small Harleys (which were actually made in
- Italy). They haven't been competitive on the track since then, except for
- the tracks where their bikes are the only ones allowed. I've been a
- manufacturing engineer for 15 years and a motorcyclist for almost 30. I
- have dreamed of a motorcycle being manufactured in America for most of my
- life. I'd work damn cheap for a real motorcycle company, but I don't/can't
- consider Harley that. Yes, I have considered Kawasaki in Nebraska, but
- that isn't really an American manufacturer, is it?
-
- Harley couldn't even manufacture a small, cost efficient bike in the '60s.
- They don't do it today because they can't, not because they don't want to.
- That is the same lame argument Detroit used for staying away from small,
- fuel efficient cars in the '60s and it was BS then and is today. Harley is *
- stuck* in the historic big bike market because they don't have the skills to
- do anything else.
-