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- From: felipe@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Felipe Guardiano)
- Newsgroups: misc.consumers
- Subject: DISPUTE OVER A BILL WITH SAN FRANCISCO EXAMINER!
- Date: 6 Jan 1993 00:04:25 GMT
- Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
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- Here is the story of my feud with the newspaper San Francisco Examiner:
-
- Last summer, I got a call from the marketing people at San Francisco
- Examiner offering me an 8 week subscription for their newspaper, which
- I accepted. I received a bill a few days later which I paid in full
- with a check. The delivery started on time and I had no complaints,
- except that I didn't like the newspaper very much.
-
- After some weeks, I decided to go back to my subscription of
- the San Jose Mercury News. I assumed that by NOT renewing my subscription
- of the San Francisco Examiner, they would stop delivering it when my
- original subscription expired. They didn't.
-
- At first, I thought their computers might be screwed up and they
- would stop delivery as soon as they found out that I had NOT sent
- the money for the renewal. Weeks passed by and I got a bill from them
- charging the newspapers delivered since the expiration of the last
- subscription period. I found strange that they were still sending the
- newspaper in without me sending the money for it. However, I
- decided to let it go.
-
- As I kept receiving bills, I decided to call them. They said
- that unless the customer calls in to terminate the subscription they
- keep sending the newspaper: "we have a relationship with our customers
- based on trust". I told them that I wanted the paper stopped and that
- I had a problem with their marketing strategy. The person said the
- supervisor was not in the office and would call me back. He/She never
- did.
-
- Now, I got the latest bill saying that I am late with my
- payment of approximatelly $40.00. I called them again and asked for the
- supervisor. I pointed to him that by NOT renewing my subscription
- I was terminating our contract. He thinks differently. He believes
- that the only way to terminate our contract was to let them know,
- for instance by phone, that I wanted to cancel delivery. I also pointed
- out to him that whatever I subscribe, magazines and other newspaper,
- I pay in advance for my subscription and they promptly stop delivery
- if I do not mail them my check for renewal. He, once again, pointed
- out the "trust" they have in their customers and therefore I should
- pay my bill. He was even willing, "out of his generosity", to let me
- pay only half of it. This is where it stands now.
-
- To me their billing strategy sounds very much like a scam.
- Since the customer has to call in for them to consider the subscription
- canceled, they are in fact relying on those that forget to do it
- to keep up their subscription rate. It sounds even stranger when we
- take into account the fact that no respectable circulation business
- uses this type of marketing strategy.
-
- The $40 are not a big deal to me but I am seriously considering
- not paying it. However, I would like to know if I am legally bound
- to an agreement that I thought I had broken by NOT renewing my
- subscription. Obviously, the San Francisco Examiner has lawyers working
- for them that had some say when they decided on this marketing
- strategy.
-
- I called consumer information hotline but the line is always
- busy. So I thought I would ask the wise people of the net for their
- valuable input. Thanks in advance.
-
-
-
- Felipe Guardiano
- felipe@pangea.stanford.edu
-
- Disclaimer: Stanford has nothing to do with it.
-