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- From: simnet@plato.ds.boeing.com (Mark R Poulson)
- Subject: Re: Antilock brakes on new Dodge Grand Caravan SE?
- Message-ID: <C0EHHy.4Fv@plato.ds.boeing.com>
- Summary: SHould I get antilock brakes?
- Keywords: antilock brakes, options
- Organization: Boeing Defense & Space Group
- Distribution: na
- Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:39:33 GMT
- Lines: 63
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- cerulean@access.digex.com (Bill Christens-Barry) writes:
- > Can anyone give me an informed opinion about whether I should get the anti-
- > lock brake option on a new Dodge Grand Caravan SE I plan on buying new from
- > a dealer? The cost (invoice) is around $510.
- >
- > The standard brakes are disc/drum (front/rear, I think), and the van weighs
- > around 3900 lbs. I don't know how long the antilock braking system has
- > existed, but I'd like to hear why I'd be much safer with it than people were
- > before it existed. In other words, is it a gimmick aimed at recent safety
- > awareness?
-
- Antilock brakes are no gimmick. They are most useful for people who are not
- very aware of vehicle handling, but are still useful for expert drivers who are
- mentally overloaded (tired, with screaming children, or bad weather). If you
- don't know why one would want ABS then you should probably get it.
-
- Basically antilock brakes will allow you to steer no matter how hard you've
- mashed the brake pedal. The ability to avoid obstacles is always a good thing
- and ABS also helps prevent a spin out in slippery conditions. You will get
- much more controlled stopping than a non-ABS car when the road has patches of
- ice. The ABS vehicle will also stop shorter on dry pavement than a non-ABS
- vehicle that has locked up its tires or when your vehicle is loaded very
- unevenly. Whether this increase in saftey is worth the $500 price is a
- question only you can answer. ABS vehicles may have higher maintenance/repair
- costs than a simpler non-ABS car.
-
- > Also, any comments on the neede for the heavy duty trailer/towing package that
- > includes heavy duty alternator, battery, oil cooler, radiator, flashers, and
- > a trailer wiring harness? I may occasionally pull a popup camper (I don't
- > know its weight but its not especially large). The engine is a 3.3 liter
- > 6-cylinder.
-
- As a matter of principle I would always take this option. There is no
- difference between a heavily laded vehicle in normal conditions and a normal
- vehicle in extreme conditions -- i.e. a ride through Arizona in the summer with
- the AC on will be easier on your vehicle if you have the heavy duty cooling
- hardware. Heavy duty electrics let you go a little longer before the system
- fails or let you add a killer stereo, powerful ham radio, or highpowered
- headlights/driving lights.
-
- Also, the Caravan can't tow a "heavy" trailer by my definition. Many trailers
- are 1000 pounds and its easy to hit 3000. A 3000 pound trailer on a caravan
- (which I think is the most it can pull anyway) would most definitely need the
- towing hardware. You'll thank yourself for just the wiring harness and hitch
- if you plan on pulling ANY trailer EVER. These are a pain to install and
- usually worth the cheap price the factory asks.
-
- > Finally, what about overall price and negotiating strategy. I called several
- > dealers and told them I had data on their invoice prices and wanted them to
- > fax me prices they would honor. I told them I would wait let them order a
- > van rather than buy one from their stock, thinking this would make it more
- > attractive for them. Several dealers said they would be willing to do this.
- > Should I ask for a bid that does not include the factory rebates that I've
- > heard advertised recently, or should I let them quote a price that includes
- > the rebates?
-
- Factory order is usually the cheapest route (and you get exactly and only what
- you want). They will be reluctant to quote a price assuming a factory rebate
- because the rebates change and usually the rebate in effect on the date of
- delivery is the rebate you get. Make sure their quote just says something like
- "customer is to receive all factory rebates in effect at time of delivery".
-
- Mark
-