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- From: jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca (John Paul Morrison)
- Subject: Re: harmful effects of gnu software
- Message-ID: <1993Jan12.231010.9483@ee.ubc.ca>
- Organization: University of BC, Electrical Engineering
- References: <1993Jan10.062319.17213@news2.cis.umn.edu>
- Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:10:10 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan10.062319.17213@news2.cis.umn.edu> tyrell@herring.micro.umn.edu (john drexler) writes:
- >Now look:
- >
- >I have followed the gnu project for some time, and do like (and, I admit, use )
- >the products that you have created. However, enough is enough. The PRINCIPLES
- >upon which the gnu project was formed are quite harmful to the software industry
- >and software programmers in general.
-
- oh that's BS!
- >
- > Now I realize I am not going to change your mind, but listen:
-
- >
- > You are doing the equivalent to what the Japanese microchip industry
- >did to the United States counterpart: dumping. Every time you create a software
- >product, and give it out -- free -- to the public, some private software
- >developer is taking the brunt of it.
- > A software developer -- in the attempt to make a living -- creates a
- >software program. In order for him to subsist, he HAS to charge a considerable
- >fee to pay for his time and effort in developing the product.
- > Now YOU develop similar software for free. Which software would you
- >pick as a consumer? A: Joe Schmoe's word processor -- 129.95 or B: Richard
- >Stallman's super-duper gnu processor -- GRATIS. The choice is easy (as far
- >as the consumer is concerned, and Joe Schmoe, software developer,
- >gets it directly in the teeth.
-
- Gnu Software is harmless to the consumer/non-technical/commodity software
- market. Gnu only has research/hacker/academic level software. The Gnu compiler
- is a shining example of this work.
-
- But normal joe or jane user would ever use Gnu software. Take a look at
- the home and office market. Theye are totally different 'markets' from the
- user base Gnu, and others who distribute under similar schemes (Linux for
- Intel/IBM machines, the EMX DOS-OS/2 development system (which uses the Gnu
- compiler but C library and other tools were written for OS/2).
-
- Taking emacs and TeX and forcing that on unsuspecting secretaries,
- and expecting them to produce work would give them nervous breakdowns, and
- would set back office automation for years. Microsoft, Lotus, WordPerfect
- Borla, have all tailored their products to make them easy to use, non cryptic,
- and they make regular office and home users productive. Their software
- more or less what the user wants to do, not what is academically elegant,
- or portable just for portability's sake.
-
- Gnu obviously isn't a threat, because they have deliberately ignored the
- largest base of any computer users: MSDOS. They have ignored DOS for esthetic
- reasons, and that's fine. But it's not like it would make much differnce,
- because Gnu stuff is written for hackers on cryptic, command line
- interfaces, not for plain simple users who just want to put a pretty box
- on the page, without wading through bizarre incantations and \weird \macros.
-
- Your dumping cry is the typical US whine for making a scapegoat, just like
- the USA does in trade: cry dumping when someone else beats you at your
- own game, while pretending to support free-markets. 'Fair trade' isnt
- the same things as Free trade. Fair trade is about crying and stomping
- your feet when you lose, and righteous indignation and rhetoric over
- principles when another government uses the same trade barriers you do.
-
- You are just looking for an excuse to dump on Gnu. I look forward to
- new, nifty tools, but I will be very surprised if Gnu ever matches the
- quality and support that Lotus or Microsoft gives their users in
- spreadsheets and wordprocessors. Compilers are a different story, and
- all the power to Gnu for getting compiler research and opzations out
- of teh lab and into the hands of programmers; obviously Microsoft hasn't
- learnt anything about writing compilers.
- >
- > Aha -- but you say -- the development of free software stimulates the
- >use of tools for other programmers to use in the future, to build off what
- >you develop... WRONG.
- > Your software gets people in VERY bad habits. They learn that what
- >'they get off the net is free' and 'why should we pay money for software? We'll
- >just wait until the gnu group, or some shareware group does it for free!'. I
- >know this first hand, because gradually, people are 'coming around' to this
- >way of thinking.
- >
- Almost nobody has net access. The closest most people get is the
- Fidonet wasteland, and last I checked, they was a time lag of
- weeks in information propagation, from the latets Internet developments.
- 99% or so of people don't even know what BBS are, and they get their
- software through MIS. it's not like a few trivial screensavers
- downloaded from a BBS are going to dent the bread and butter of the
- Spreaadsheetm Wordprocessor and Database applications market. Gnu is no
- competition to this market.
-
- > All of the above is sad news for the future software developer. Why
- >ON EARTH spend 20,000+ on a college education, if the market that you are going
- >to go into is being deliberately sabatoged at every turn by some person who
- >-- out of misguided loyalties -- is periodically dumping products onto the
- >market. I am one these folks, and sorry to say, I do not feel that I am going
- >to have the security of an academic umbrella to pay the bills.
- >
- There is no sign of decline in the software market. Gnu software,
- its compilers, utilities etc. are above the fray. Perhaps one or
- two companies are actually threatened by Gnu, like Mark Williams' unix
- utils for DOs or OS/2, but enough people want glitzy packaging and support,
- so they will do OK.
- >
- >Hey -- if you want to discuss any of the points above, just mail me. Flames are
- >not allowed -- I feel quite seriously about this issue, and am willing to take
- >all callers in turn.
- >
-
- I think you are unfairly bashing Gnu. Their software isn't competing with
- the large commodity software market, and it isn't competing with the
- custom, one time project market either.
-
- >Cheers,
- >
- >John
- >
- >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- >John Drexler 'Gentelmen-- you can't fight in here....
- >tyrell@mermaid.micro.umn.edu This is the WAR ROOM! ' -- Peter Sellers
- >CSci Undergrad, University of Minnesota
- >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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