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- From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny)
- Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,talk.philosophy.misc,misc.legal
- Subject: Re: Fund raising at the FSF
- Message-ID: <1993Jan12.153936.19247@husc3.harvard.edu>
- Date: 12 Jan 93 20:39:33 GMT
- Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan12.153936.19247
- References: <MIB.93Jan8191428@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu><1993Jan9.025025.19137@husc3.harvard.edu><MIB.93Jan11161516@churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu>
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- In article <MIB.93Jan11161516@churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu>
- mib@churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Michael I Bushnell) writes:
-
- >In article <1993Jan9.025025.19137@husc3.harvard.edu>
- >zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny) writes:
-
- MZ:
- >>Please consider learning to edit the header.
-
- MIB:
- >Please consider learning not to use public mailing lists as a way to
- >attempt to be condescending to people.
-
- Nuance: whilst your earlier attempts to deal with the message header
- were entirely unsuccessful, I have never failed to be condescending to
- people on a public mailing list, whenever I wished to do so. Please
- try not to confuse yourself into thinking that I am under any sort of
- obligation to love you, my evident neighbor, as I love those truly
- deserving of such affection.
-
- >>In article <MIB.93Jan8191428@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu>
- >>mib@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Michael I Bushnell) writes:
-
- MIB:
- >>>Even if a later version of the GPL (say version 3) does the nasty
- >>>thing you suggest, you can still distribute under the terms of GPL
- >>>version 2. "Version 2 of the GPL" is a static, unalterable, legal
- >>>document. The later publication of a version 3 does not somehow
- >>>magically change the wording of version 2.
-
- MZ:
- >>This is correct, but you could still restrict the GPL, and follow by
- >>licensing subsequent releases under the new version thereof, leaving
- >>the dreaded software hoarders with nought but obsolete "free" software.
-
- MIB:
- >It's also important to remember that the FSF is a public charity. The
- >laws of Massachusetts restrict it in many ways. If the FSF tried to
- >do as you suggest, then we would likely be promptly shut down.
-
- I suggest that you keep these golden words in mind, whilst attempting
- to justify your foundation's boycott of Apple. In the meantime, I
- propose to do my best to force you to face a choice between revising
- the terms of the GPL, or losing your status as a public charity.
-
- MIB:
- >>>Moreover, changing the GPL in such a way would violate the terms of
- >>>the assignments people have made when donating sofwtare to the FSF.
- >>>(This is a legal transfer of copyright; merely GPL-ing does not cause
- >>>such a transfer.) Those assignments guarantee to the author that the
- >>>FSF will distribute under terms essentially like those of the GPL.
-
- MZ:
- >>The ramifications of the alleged terms of copyright assignments are a
- >>private matter, which concerns no one but you and the authors of the
- >>donated software; hence, unlike the GPL, the contracts in question are
- >>not subject to public scrutiny; consequently you must forgive me for
- >>not paying too much attention to your claim.
-
- MIB:
- >Any significant contribution to GNU software is bound by these
- >assignments. The contracts *are* subject to public scrutiny; I can
- >send you a copy if you are interested in the wording. (Remember, we
- >are a public charity; we can't just march on doing whatever we
- >please.) Any significant piece of GNU software incorporates such
- >contributions, and so such a modification of the GPL would be illegal.
-
- If you truly welcome public scrutiny, I invite you to post the said
- copyright transfer contracts in this venue. I furthermore suggest
- that you do so, while addressing my charge that the FSF openly and
- actively seeks to own and control all software in any way derived from
- GNU, or any fragments thereof.
-
- >--
- >Michael I. Bushnell | Watch, for you do not know when the master of
- >+1 617 625 4518 (H) -+- the house will come, in the evening, or at
- >+1 617 253 8568 (W) | midnight, or at cockcrow, or in the morning,
- >mib@gnu.ai.mit.edu | lest he come suddenly and find you asleep.
-
-
- cordially,
- mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
- "Les beaulx bastisseurs nouveaulx de pierres mortes ne sont escriptz
- en mon livre de vie. Je ne bastis que pierres vives: ce sont hommes."
-