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- From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny)
- Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,talk.philosophy.misc,misc.legal
- Subject: Re: Fund raising at the FSF
- Message-ID: <1993Jan11.221648.19205@husc3.harvard.edu>
- Date: 12 Jan 93 03:16:46 GMT
- References: <1imlr5INN2tu@early-bird.think.com> <1993Jan10.125629.19161@husc3.harvard.edu> <1ispnuINN4jc@early-bird.think.com>
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- In article <1ispnuINN4jc@early-bird.think.com>
- barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin) writes:
-
- >In article <1993Jan10.125629.19161@husc3.harvard.edu>
- >zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny) writes:
-
- BM:
- >>>And given this, the terms *do* apply to the token, not the type, since
- >>>copyright applies to expressions not ideas (although with software, the
- >>>line between token and type is fuzzy).
-
- MZ:
- >>As you can see, there is nothing fuzzy about the distinction.
-
- BM:
- >I know what "token" and "type" mean. But in cyberspace, many things that
- >are concrete in the real world become ephemeral. They go back and forth
- >from having single to multiple instantiations, depending on point of view.
- >For instance, when a program is being run there's a copy in RAM that is
- >physically distinct from the copy on disk, but operationally they may be
- >identical (for instance, in many virtual memory systems, if someone changes
- >the disk copy, the change will be reflected immediately in the memory copy
- >as well).
-
- Operational correspondence is not identity. Hence, your example does
- not vitiate the merits of Peirce's distinction.
-
- BM:
- >In any case, the notion of copyright only makes sense when attached to
- >tokens, not types. You can't copy a type.
-
- You can, however, instantiate it. As for your alleged rebuttal, you
- are unduly taken by the sound of the word. Look further, towards its
- meaning, and you will find that copyright is defined as a temporary,
- exclusive right to the publication, production, sale, or distribution
- of a *work*; accordingly, this right would not be abrogated in the
- event its holder is forced to resore the work from memory, should all
- of its extant copies come to be destroyed by accident.
-
- MZ:
- >>According to Paragraph 8 (V1), any of the subsequent revised versions
- >>of the GPL may be selected by the licensee, at his own discretion,
- >>instead of the version specified in the program he is using.
-
- BM:
- >I only have V2 of the GPL, and it says that this may only be done if the
- >program specifies "and any later version" when indicating which version of
- >the GPL applies. If a program indicates only a specific version which
- >applies, then you can't do that.
-
- OK, the V2 is more flexible on this point.
-
- >--
- >Barry Margolin
- >System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp.
- >
- >barmar@think.com {uunet,harvard}!think!barmar
-
- cordially,
- mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
- "Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."
-