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- From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
- Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
- Subject: Re: Fund raising at the FSF
- Message-ID: <930111.172322.7H6.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk>
- Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 17:23:22 GMT
- References: <930108.131806.9m5.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> <1993Jan8.194846.13112@uwasa.fi>
- Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.
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- vinsci@brando.uwasa.fi (Leonard Norrgard) writes:
- >mathew (mathew@mantis.co.uk) wrote:
- >> More likely, if X had been under the GPL, the manufacturer wouldn't have
- >> adapted it to run on his hardware, and nor would many other manufacturers.
- >> You'd probably be running OpenLook or NeWS, with no hope of any sort of
- >> source, let alone source tailored to your machine.
- >
- > I note that you don't back up your belief.
-
- Who do you think I am, Dr Who?
-
- > Hardware manufacturers
- > like DEC primarily want to sell the hardware they make (a reasonable
- > assumption). If porting a GPL licensed software package to that
- > hardware at a small cost would drastically help selling the hardware,
- > it seems natural that that is what the hardware manufacturer would do.
-
- Right. But if the software sellers haven't backed X, the presence of X won't
- help the hardware sellers to sell their hardware. Therefore they won't
- bother to port X to their hardware. And I contend that the presence of the
- GPL on something hinders its acceptance by software sellers.
-
- >> Again, if you buy undocumented hardware, what do you expect?
- >
- > As far as I know, Digital didn't say that it would be impossible to
- > get hardware details. Also, since DEC previously have provided
- > detailed hardware information, I suppose nobody suspected things would
- > be any different now.
-
- Well, it sounds to me like you have a serious gripe with DEC. Why not take
- it up with them?
-
- >> If you want special restrictive licenses to save you from the consequences
- > of
- >> your organization's actions, let's go the whole hog. Let's include a secti
- > on
- >> in the GPL demanding that anyone who distributes GPL code must port it to a
- > ny
- >> other system on demand, free of charge. Then people who buy hardware that
- >> nobody supports won't have to face the consequences of their stupidity.
- >
- > Your sense of humour seems to be on the bizarre side.
-
- True, but irrelevant. You were suggesting that the GPL was good, because it
- would make sure people would be able to get source even if they bought from
- restrictive and unhelpful manufacturers. I'm took that attitude to its
- logical conclusion...
-
- >> > Nice try. The support we have to buy now costs more than it would
- >> > cost us to port X ourselves (my estimation). By the way, the
- >> > manufacturer is Digital Equipment Corp. (who participated in
- >> > developing the original free X), and the product is their VXT 2000
- >> > X-terminal.
- >>
- >> If the support costs are that high, it must be cheaper to sell off all the
- >> DEC hardware second hand and replace it with something better. Or at least
- >> something that you know what it does.
- >
- > Nope. You're overestimating the costs of porting X.
-
- Eh?
-
- Let S be the support cost.
- Let P be the cost of porting X.
- Let H be the cost of replacing the hardware.
-
- You estimate that S > P. But you have to pay S every year, as it's a support
- contract. For some time t the value S*t becomes greater than P+H. Hence
- in the long term, it is cheaper to trash the DEC stations. Perhaps you could
- plug in some numbers and work out t.
-
-
- mathew
-