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- From: jbuck@forney.berkeley.edu (Joe Buck)
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- Subject: Re: Fund raising at the FSF
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- Date: 5 Jan 1993 23:47:50 GMT
- Organization: U. C. Berkeley
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- According to vinsci@brando.uwasa.fi (Leonard Norrgard):
- >>Unfortunately, I have to use a hoarded X display every day at work.
- >>The makers of it won't give us sources so we could fix the bugs
- >>ourselves. Clearly, the X way of distribution is not working...
-
- In article <2B49ED1A.7405@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
- >If X were a GPL product, it would be in exactly the same (good but not
- >great) condition as the publically available X of today. After all
- >those who contribute patches to GPL products usually do not do so out
- >of GPL-based coercion; they do so because they like to share.
-
- Well, contrafactuals are always difficult, because we have no way to
- rewind the world, make a single, isolated change (e.g. slap the GPL
- on X11), crank forward and see what happens. But the only thing I
- can conclude is that both methods (GPL and X-like copyrights) have
- their advantages and disadvantages, and the GPL accomplishes more
- than you say that it does.
-
- The first version of gcc was for the Vax, followed soon after by a port to
- the 68000, if I remember correctly. These are CISC machines; vendors of
- RISC machines and DSP's that have used gcc would not have benefited as
- much from gcc's availability if ports to other RISCs and DSPs were not
- available in source form, and these ports would not have been available
- without the GPL.
-
- Given that, one might argue that if X were GPL'ed, then more X source
- would be freely available and that this would assist new ports. But on
- the down side, there would have been considerably less industrial
- acceptance of X if it were GPL'ed (and I know, the X bashers will now
- say that this is a good thing).
-
- So in answer to Chip's point: those who contribute patches (i.e. small bug
- fixes and enhancements) to gcc or X do so because they like to share.
- People who contribute major new ports representing > 1 person-year of work
- are often doing so because of the GPL (e.g. Motorola's gcc port to the
- 56000 DSP chip, Analog Devices' gcc-based work on DSP-C, Data General and
- OSF's contributions to gcc ports, NeXT's work on Objective-C). Without
- the GPL, none of these would be available to the community in source form.
-
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- Joe Buck jbuck@ohm.berkeley.edu
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