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- From: rich@Rice.edu (& Murphey)
- Subject: Re: [386BSD] Advice on System Wanted
- In-Reply-To: gregh@cc.gatech.edu's message of Sun, 10 Jan 1993 00:41:42 GMT
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- Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 05:49:23 GMT
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- >>>>> In article <1993Jan10.004142.17478@cc.gatech.edu>, gregh@cc.gatech.edu (Greg Hankins) writes:
-
- Greg> I am in the process of putting together a 386 system to run 386BSD on.
- Greg> (by 386BSD I mean the Jolitz port, not BSDi)
- Greg> I have some basic questions about what kind of things are supported,
- Greg> if you people on the net could help me out I would be very gratefull!
- Greg> (I read Eric's guide, and didn't find [all] the answers - if there something
- Greg> that does have these answers, please direct me to it)
-
- The questions I can help you on are:
-
- Greg> What kind of video card should I get, and what kind of chipset is the best
- Greg> to get for 386BSD? I know that I want SVGA, since I want to run X.
-
- For under $100, the Tseng ET4000 is reasonable. For $200 or so
- an Actix Graphics Engine gives six times the performance of the
- ET4000. Here are the rankings by xstones:
-
- model chip xstones price ratio
- GraphicEngine VLbus S3 805 84K $290 3.4 $/k
- GraphicEngine 32b S3 801 64.1K $210 3.3 $/k
- F1280 (most recent) S3 924 48.6k $210 4.3 $/k
- GraphicEngine 70 S3 911 37.4K ? ? $/k
- F1280 (first model) S3 911 24.6k $170 6.9 $/k
- ATI VGA Wondercard XL ATI ? $130 ? $/k
- ET4000 32bit VLBus ET4000 19.0k $159 8.4 $/k
- ProDesigner II ET4000 11.6k $130 11.2 $/k
- Tseng ET4000 11.6k $88 7.6 $/k
- Trident 8900C TVGA8900 5.1k $58 11.4 $/k
-
-
- 911, 924 and 928 chips VRAM while the 801 and 805 use DRAM. VRAM
- performance degrates less at high dot clock refresh rate and screen
- sizes. Although the 80x performance is higher it may not necesarily
- scale as well as the 9xx to large displays.
-
- The following performance ratings are relative to a value of 10000
- for a monochrome SUN 3/50 running X11R3 communicating via unix
- sockets. A machine with double the performance will therefore get
- 20000 and a machine with half the performance will get 5000. These
- benchmarks were taken on various PC hardware, so the results cannot
- be quantitatively consistent. We should not rely on them
- quantitatively, but untill we have all the cards available in one
- place this will be the best we can do.
-
- machine p comm line fill blt text arc cmplx xstone
- Sparc2 gx 8 local 244821 44250 50912 435875 7763207 85816 97803
- Gr.Eng.32b 13MHz bus 8 local 107908 42632 31590 117562 2975512 92352 64061
- Gr.Eng.32b 6MHz bus 8 local 102774 45363 27382 113125 2485082 97712 60897
- F1280 924 486/33 8 local 111640 30450 21935 103812 2871708 62222 48559
- Gr.Eng.70 13MHz bus 8 local 103781 21777 16997 83875 2580416 46797 37496
- X11R5 S3 X386 8 local 107087 22917 15007 56375 2522818 44117 34032
- Sparc1+ cg3 8 local 121149 13219 10735 134750 2112958 22418 25901
- F1280 911 8 local 56746 16390 10463 53625 1425872 34444 24625
- ET4000 486/50 VLBus 8 local 123308 13529 5951 138187 1941774 18954 19008
- ET4000 486/33 8 socket 88671 9562 3372 97281 1377355 11307 11621
- Sun3/50 (R3) 1 socket 10000 10000 10000 10000 10000 10000 10000
- Trident 8900C 8 socket 55957 2503 1990 45937 705011 4248 5123
-
- line = solid-line, dashed-line, wide-line and rectangle performance.
- fill = solid-, tile- and stipple-rectangle-fill performance.
- blt = invrects, screencopy, scroll, and bitmapcopy performance.
- arc = arc- and filledarc performance.
- p = color/greyscale planes. '1' means monochrome.
-
- Actix's GraphicEngine 23b $210 Palo Alto Micro 415-493-8209
- Orchid Fahrenheit 1280 1Mb+Sierra $210 OS Computer 800-938-6722
- ATI VGA Wondercard XL 1Mb $129 Harmony Computer 800-441-1144
- Orchid ProDesigner IIs 1Mb+Sierra $130 Dee One Systems 800-831-8808
- Tseng ET4000 1Mb $88 OS Computer 800-938-6722
- TVGA8900 Trident 8900C 1MB $58 Dee One Systems 800-831-8808
- ET4000 32bit VLBus 1Mb $159 PC Importers 800-886-5155
- S3-C805 1MB DRAM $169 Xxera Technology 818-286-5569
-
- NB: XFree86 does not yet support the Trident 9000 or any Diamond
- card designed after the Diamond Speedstar+.
-
- Greg> Can I run X comfortably with 8MB of RAM (one or two xterms - no heavy compiling)?
-
- Yes you can run X alone in 8Mb with no problem. You need only about
- 2.5Mb of memory for xinit, X386, xterm, emacs and gwm. The latter are
- memory hogs, so 2.5Mb is conservative estimate of the minimum memory
- used by X itself on 386BSD. With 8mb you won't have much room to run
- more daemons, etc. though. Rich
-