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- From: boerncke@kirk.fmi.uni-passau.de (Frank-Roland Boernke)
- Subject: Re: Real Numbers vs. Rational Numbers?
- Message-ID: <1993Jan5.161955.11237@tom.rz.uni-passau.de>
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- Organization: University of Passau, Germany
- References: <1992Dec17.142150.7932@tom.rz.uni-passau.de> <1hi8dvINN5l2@uwm.edu> <1993Jan3.151347.29159@tom.rz.uni-passau.de> <4287@dozo.and.nl> <butrfeld-050193140552@butrfeld.cs.tcd.ie>
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- Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:19:55 GMT
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- In article <butrfeld-050193140552@butrfeld.cs.tcd.ie>, butrfeld@cs.tcd.ie (Andrew Butterfield) writes:
- |> In article <4287@dozo.and.nl>, jos@and.nl (Jos Horsmeier) wrote:
- |> >
- |> > In article <1993Jan3.151347.29159@tom.rz.uni-passau.de> boerncke@kirk.fmi.uni-passau.de (Frank-Roland Boernke) writes:
- |> >
- |> > |For 2/5 you can find a finite numeric representation ( 0.4 )
- |> > |for PI or PI*PI you cannot!
- |> >
- |> > But what if we use a base PI representation? PI*PI obviously equals 100,
- |> > which is definitely a finite numeric representation. There is none for 2/5,
- |> > when using base PI.
- |> >
- |> > kind regards and happy new year!
- |> >
- |> > Jos aka jos@and.nl
- |>
- |>
- |> You cannot represent 1, 2, 3, exactly either --- "base PI" doesn't seem
- |> much use.
- |>
- |> Say we have 12 and 23 as numbers in your base PI, how do we add them ?
- |> What gets carried and how is it represented ?
- |>
- |> The key point is that no matter what base you choose, it will not be
- |> capable of
- |> giving a finite representation to all real numbers. Real numbers are
- |> inherently
- |> infinite objects.
- |>
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- So what does this mean in the end? When I introduced this subject, I asked,
- whether a Turing Machine, that handles not only bits or naturals but also
- real numbers is more powerful, than a turing machine, that only works
- with natural numbers.
-
- My professor said, both types of Turing Machines are the same concerning
- their power of computability. I claimed that can't be true, refering to
- ideas like the ones mentioned in the quotes at the beginning of this side.
-
- Who is right?
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- boerncke@kirk.fmi.uni-passau.de (.~.) phone: +49 0851 2267
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