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- Path: sparky!uunet!psinntp!l5next!scotty
- From: scotty@gagetalker.com (Scott Turner)
- Subject: Re: SCSI Treatment
- Message-ID: <1993Jan7.081833.12054@gagetalker.com>
- Sender: scotty@gagetalker.com
- Organization: L5 Computing
- References: <1992Dec29.102014.25245@mic.ucla.edu>
- Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 08:18:33 GMT
- Lines: 73
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- In article <1992Dec29.102014.25245@mic.ucla.edu> iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo
- Welch) writes:
- |> Summary: [1] Although a number of people suggested powering down,
- Sam
- |> Goldberger told me that the SCSI bus is silent in the ROM monitor.
- (Powering
- |> down is actually inconvenient for me, because I have auto-startup
- set;
- |> unfortunately, NeXT software does not distinguish between a controlled power
- |> down and a pull-plug power down, and always restarts itself.)
- Sam is right. When NeXTen enter the ROM monitor the SCSI buss goes idle. All
- buss drivers turn off and it is quite safe to short pins together by
- connecting or dis-connecting devices. You will often get activity from SCSI
- devices when you fool around with the buss in this mode. When you break the
- chain and then remake it many devices will "see" a SCSI buss reset and will
- perform their reset functions. Tapes drives can often be rather noisy, and
- thus startling, but nothing bad is happening. The NeXT itself will command a
- couple of these SCSI buss resets during booting (and will perform them when
- devices timeout on the buss during operation.)
-
-
- I've used a switched power outlet to get around those times when my NeXT
- won't power down (wether from the auto-power on feature or from a swapper
- lock up.)
-
- |> [2] Everyone suggested I should power down hard-disks first; for one,
- they
- |> set or signal their SCSI ID at power on.
- Fujitsu hard disks, and others (Micropolis and Maxtor come to mind), look at
- the SCSI ID jumpers ALL THE TIME. You can change them at any time, no power
- cycling is required. Which is good since the worst thing you can do to your
- hard disk is turn it on. :)
-
- There are devices though that get weird. My Archive Python insists on being
- power cycled before it will come back on the SCSI buss if it was set to
- the same SCSI ID as some other device. You can reset the other device to
- another SCSI ID, but until you actually cycle power to the Python it won't
- respond to it's SCSI ID.
-
- I suggest learning what your devices want and going from there.
-
- |> [3] Everyone suggested powering down hard disks before moving them,
- because
- |> most disks have special head storage zones.
- Hard disks, part of the fun here is in how rapidly this technology has changed.
- Only 10 years ago I was going bonkers for a 10mb Seagate ST-412 drive, the
- biggest 5.25" hard disk in the known universe. Drives from this era were made
- of eggshells by comparision to the drives we have today. Some people haven't
- caught up.
-
- "Modern" discs employ chromed surfaces that are harder than the heads
- themselves (the surface is as hard as that of a steak knife.) The heads have
- gotten smaller, lighter, tougher, and stiffer. They are harder to tip and
- several drive makers brag about operating their drives for months with the tops
- off (thus letting in all sorts of trash that would kill a ST-412-era drive.)
- I'm told that failures due to head disk contact are now extremely rare. In my
- own experience I've never seen one since '86. Most failuers these days are
- things like failures to start or some electronic failure.
-
- Even today though, it is easier to damage a hard disk drive while it is running
- for one very simple reason, while it is spinning there is more energy available
- to do damage than when the disk isn't spinning. While the disk does indeed
- create an air cushion under the head, it is possible to cause the head to tip
- in which case the air stream supplies plenty of energy to grind the head into
- the platter (although again, this is getting harder and harder to do, as the
- drives get faster the head struts must get stiffer and stiffer since moving
- the heads fast enough to make a 14ms drive causes enough force to tip a
- ST-412-era drive strut...)
-
- I only turn my SCSI devices off when I move them (and then only if they're
- spinning.)
-
- Scotty
-