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- From: mjensen@BBN.COM (Martin Jensen)
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- Subject: Re: Stallman and friends
- Date: 7 Jan 1993 18:49:15 GMT
- Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
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- In article <D2150035.mrrnh5@outpost.SF-Bay.org> peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org(Michael Peirce) writes:
-
- >As to making "rash" comments, my comments were quite considered.
- >I've been anti-GNU for years now. They simple don't believe that
- >people like me have the right to protect work as intellectual
- >property. I make a living developing software and selling it - I
- >take this whole subject very seriously and I view the FSF ideas as
- >a threat.
-
- The FSF does not generally object to software copyrights and does not
- intend to prevent people and corporations from making money from
- software. The are, however, concerned with attempts by software
- companies to patent incredibly vague concepts (such as the "look and
- feel" of a software interface) as well as some very basic software
- algorithms (what would you do if someone copyrighted "linked lists" or
- "queues"? chances are you've been using them ...)
-
- The analogy to these in the publishing industry would be if Ian Fleming
- tried to copyright "a story about an agent working for a government
- intelligence agency" or the sentence "He pulled out his gun." ... Tom
- Clancy would still be selling insurance.
-
- They DO try to encourage software authors to share their ideas and to
- make those ideas available to the general public, so that the industry as
- a whole may benefit from them. The believe that state-of-the-art is
- advanced anytime ideas are publically shared. (Have you gained any
- insights or used ideas published by other authors? I'm sure you have.)
-
- >Also, Stallman doesn't not intend to "GIVE SOFTWARE AWAY FREELY" as
- >you say. That's the little trap he sets. All GNU software is very
- >specifically not placed into the public domain. This is not being
- >picky, it goes straight to the core of what FSF and GNU software is
- >all about, that is politics.
-
- From the preamble to the GNU General Public License ...
-
- " When we speak of free software, we are referring to freedom, not
- price. Our General Public Licenses are designed to make sure that you
- have the freedom to distribute copies of free software (and charge for
- this service if you wish), that you receive source code or can get it
- if you want it, that you can change the software or use pieces of it
- in new free programs; and that you know you can do these things.
-
- To protect your rights, we need to make restrictions that forbid
- anyone to deny you these rights or to ask you to surrender the rights.
- These restrictions translate to certain responsibilities for you if you
- distribute copies of the software, or if you modify it.
-
- For example, if you distribute copies of such a program, whether
- gratis or for a fee, you must give the recipients all the rights that
- you have. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the
- source code. And you must show them these terms so they know their
- rights."
-
- You are correct in saying that the software is not placed in the public
- domain. The charter of the FSF is to insure that any software they
- develop is continually made freely available. If placed in the public
- domain, you could use their software in your product without continuing
- to allow others to redistribute the code.
-
- By "copylefting" their software you are free to use it, modify it and
- redistribute it ... BUT ... you must allow others to do the same to your
- software. This insures that GNU and/or FSF software is ONLY propogated
- in other free software. As much as you might not want your software used
- for military purposes, the FSF doesn't want its stuff used in proprietary
- software.
-
- Note that you are also free NOT to use it, but come up with your own
- algorithms, buy your own compilers, and generally seek out and support
- proprietary software.
-
- I do both. I will gladly purchase good commercial software, but I will
- also continue to use free software when its quality is comparable to
- commercial software.
-
- If you feel free software "threatens" you, defend yourself! Make sure
- your software is better built, better supported and better featured than
- the free stuff. If it is, you'll always have a market.
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- From: mjensen@BBN.COM (Martin Jensen)
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- In article <1ig6dkINNdq5@shelley.u.washington.edu>
- tzs@carson.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:
-
- . FSF is inconsistent here. You can use GCC, for example, to compile
- > proprietary software, and you can use GNU Emacs to edit your proprietary
- > stuff. Yet, if you want to take one little routine from the source for
- > GCC or GNU Emacs and use that in your proprietary software, FSF gets
- > upset.
-
- No. They're very consistent here. GCC and GNU Emacs are tools. It's as
- if you built a house using Black&Decker power tools. B&D doesn't care if
- you sell the house, but they would be a bit ticked off if you copied the
- design of their tools and sold them as your own.
-
- > Why don't they require stuff compiled with GCC to be placed under GPL,
- > and things edited with GNU Emacs?
-
- The GPL is there to protect the (freedom of the) intellectual property
- found in the design and implementation of the GNU software ... not in
- your software.
-
- You should also take a look at the GNU Library General Public License
- (which applies to the GNU C and C++ libraries). This allows you to use
- the GNU libraries in proprietary software provided you provide the source
- to the libraries and provide the object files to your code so that the
- recipient can re-link the code with another library if he chooses.
-
- The GNU GPL (as well as the charter of the FSF) does not *discourage*
- proprietary software ... the are instead *encouraging* free software as
- an alternative.
-
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