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- From: pastor@prc.unisys.com (Jon Pastor)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
- Subject: Re: Gateway vs. Austin questions
- Message-ID: <1993Jan4.191318.8598@gvl.unisys.com>
- Date: 4 Jan 93 19:13:18 GMT
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- > Might try one of the ney Hyundai machines. Nice quality,
- > cheap, and allof the features (ATI Ultra Pro LB) that Gateway
- > is offering.
-
- Be skeptical. I called Hyundai, and the price for *comparable* systems was
- significantly higher than Gateway (not to mention the fact that a lot of stuff
- wasn't available yet on the Hyundai).
-
- > Furthermore, if you can afford it, go ahead and
- > get 16 megs on both systems.
-
- Um, why? My 486DX33V pretty much flies with "only" 8MB.
-
- > So don't buy from either. The Gateway monitor is so/so. I found
- > better quality (flatter, darker-black screen, sharper) in a
- > Sampo Alphascan 15. (It doesn't support refresh rates as high,
- > tho). My Nec monitor is even nicer. If you can, go with the
- > Nec. There are basically two things you're stuck with once
- > you buy your system--processor and monitor--always buy the best
- > that you can for both, because the cost of replacing them is
- > much higher than for anything else (memory, storage, video card).
-
- The Gateway 15" monitor is not razor sharp, but it's quite usable. I'm
- accustomed to a SUN SPARC 19" monochrome monitor, which lets me use 6-point
- type easily, so I'm pretty demanding. You could probably get a better monitor
- for $200 or more extra; you could also get a CD-ROM, or a FAX/modem, or a tape
- drive, or an upgrade to MS Office (includes Excel), or a sound card, or
- one of many other goodies, for the same $200+ -- and after having used my
- GW2000 15" monitor for a couple of weeks now, I'm glad I didn't spring for the
- NEC or other more expensive monitor.
-
- >2. How does GUI acceleration compare to local bus implementations in terms
- > of overall Windows performance? My family tends to be rather heavy
- > Windows users. Another question: how stable are the VESA local bus
- > standards, and do they really provide enough end-user benefit that they
- > will survive even for the presumed useful life of this machine?
-
- I can't compare GUI acceleration to local bus for Windows, but I can tell you
- that when I came back to work this morning and got on my SUN SPARCstation 2
- running MIT X with 96MB of memory and a ton of swap, I found the video
- performance a little sluggish compared to the LB ATI Ultra Pro on my Gateway
- 486DX33V. That astonished me.
-
- > >Are there any other mail-order companies I should be looking at?
- >
- > Zeos, Dell. Dell, especially. Also, take a look at the new
- > systems from IBM and Compaq--they're not that bad. And if you're
- > looking at a non-LB ISA system, consider skipping the hassle of
- > mail order altogether and buying local from a company like Accel--
- > I can find better deals local on such generic systems than I can
- > find in Computer Shopper.
-
- I could not find a vendor that offered as much system for the money as
- Gateway. I wanted to; I had had an annoying experience with their sales staff
- in the past, and knew that tech support was sluggish. Zeos is a little better
- than they used to be about advertising, but their featured systems are a
- little (and sometimes more than a little) stripped down, and once you
- configure one like the equivalent Gateway it costs a lot more. Dell doesn't
- even come close on price. But check me on this: pick up Computer Shopper (or
- drag it somewhere, if you can't lift it ;-) and browse. As far as local
- companies are concerned, I almost bought from a local company that has great
- prices, but ... Gateway beat them in terms of features and price; once I added
- all the stuff that came free (15" monitor, 8MB memory, 250MB hard drive,
- Windows, WinWord) or cheap (TelePath FAX/modem for $195 including Crosstalk
- and WinFax Pro, CMS Jumbo 250 tape drive for $195(!), MS Excel and PowerPoint
- for $175) in the Gateway, there was no contest.
-
- I'm not a rabid Gateway fan: they have their limitations, like cruddy order
- tracking and long waits for tech support sometimes, but overall I've been
- pleased with the equipment and the way it was set up.
-