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- From: anisko@usdtsg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (anisko)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
- Subject: Re: Last time on this one
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- Date: 12 Jan 93 14:39:29 GMT
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- In article <1itbngINN4t4@life.ai.mit.edu> dmb@case.ai.mit.edu (David Baggett) writes:
- >In article <1isna6INNonm@golem.wcc.govt.nz> wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
- >>Don't bother, the guy is obviously thick, saying there is no CLI for
- >>the ST, (ever heard of UNIX!? And the hundreds of other PD/shareware ones)
- >
- >Look Steve, get a grip. You know I know what I'm talking about here;
- >I've written programs for the ST, remember? There's no Atari CLI;
- >they're all third party products. In other words, there is no
- >equivalent to DOS in the Atari world -- as far as ATARI is concerned
- >there IS no CLI. That's all I meant, OK? And most programmers know
- >that you can get a lot more work done with a CLI than you can with WIMP
- >interfaces anyway.
-
- Uh, Dave, Microsoft makes DOS, not IBM (i.e. 3rd-party again). The
- fact that they have a virtual monopoly on IBM DOS (except for DR DOS)
- makes them the standard. As for "wimp" interfaces, would not
- OS/2 and Windows then be considered as well? (being non-CLI?).
- And those are the main selling points for the PC's right now (if my
- 286 had the power, I'd probably put one of them on there, but as it
- doesn't at the moment, I don't). I sometimes will run MiNT/TcShell
- combination, as the commands, etc are just about identical to unix
- (actually taught myself some unix by playing with the combination) -
- so while it's not an "Atari standard" it is easily used by those who've
- played with unix...
-
- >Second, the ST doesn't run Unix. It can't run Unix because it isn't
- >capable of doing virutal memory. (It does run Minix, though; I'll
- >give you that they're similar.)
-
- Dave, could you give me a short description of virtual memory and
- what it takes to do it? I assume (correct me if wrong) that the Windows
- SWAP file would be considered virtual memory? Why would doing something
- like that not be capable on an Atari? Just curious.
-
- >Finally, if you're going to followup a post of mine, you could at least
- >insult me by name.
-
- Or better yet, not insult anyone at all!
-
- >>Hard drives are not 'cheap', $250 is a lot of money for poor folks like
- >>myself! (For a decent drive....)
- >
- >Yet you (pl.) expect us to put in the X thousand hours required to
- >write something Game Workbench when you can't pay the $200 or so it
- >costs to justify making it?
-
- Depends if you could use the software. Something like Game Workbench
- would seem like a great thing for game programmers. But for simply
- hobbyists, it does not seem necessary. And this net seems to be
- inhabited by more hobbyists that "professional Atari programmers." (there
- are some, like Eric Smith, etc, but the majority are probably not
- Atari programmers).
-
- As for the hard drive, probably the best investment I've made in
- my system (makes life SO much easier to deal with instead of disk
- swapping all the time). And to think, I survived on an Atari 8-bit
- with CASSETTE RECORDER for like a year. But of course, I was a
- kid, and barely had enough money for a couple comic books, much less
- a hard drive (BTW my first computer was a Christmas present I asked
- for, since I couldn't afford buying it then). Of course, I'm still
- stuck at 30megs since right now I can't justify getting a larger HD
- yet. I'd like one, but I have other things to worry about as well
- (rent, car payment, etc)...
-
- >>So GEM is not a Real OS is it!? Damn, what have I been using for the
- >>last 5 years then!?
- >
- >An early, buggy version of a poorly designed single-tasking OS.
-
- But it works and is functional. An OS is supposed to be
- functional, not *necessarily* elegant (though it could be). I went
- from TOS 1.0 to 1.4 and finally 2.05, and have had very little
- problems in the process.
-
-
- >
- >Dave Baggett
- >--
- >dmb@ai.mit.edu MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
- >ADVENTIONS: interactive fiction (text adventures) for the 90's!
- >dmb@ai.mit.edu *** Compu$erve: 76440,2671 *** GEnie: ADVENTIONS
-
- Oh well, life goes on...
-
- Robert Anisko
- anisko@usdtsg.daytonoh.ncr.com
-
-
- "did ya ever notice that Kathlie Lee Gifford is in EVERY television
- show it seems, and Michael Caine in EVERY movie??? hmmmm...."
-