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- From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
- Subject: Re: Commodity question
- Message-ID: <10422@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com>
- Date: 12 Jan 93 09:17:46 GMT
- References: <1992Dec17.070805.1@vaxb.acs.unt.edu> <rschuler.724653094@pv0221.vincent.iastate.edu> <crystal.724659529@glia> <10372@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> <crystal.725771527@glia>
- Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
- Organization: Commodore Germany
- Lines: 85
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- In article <crystal.725771527@glia> crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:
- >In <10372@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
- >>In article <crystal.724659529@glia> crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:
- >> >In <rschuler.724653094@pv0221.vincent.iastate.edu> rschuler@iastate.edu (Rodney A Schuler) writes:
- >> >
- >> >>RTFM (read the FINE manual)
- >> >
- >> >Uh, if I may interject here... ?
- >> >
- >> >Many times I've found that the manuals written by *programmers* are difficult
- >> >for the non-programmers/casual users to decipher.
- >
- >>Sorry, wrong in this case. All the Amiga user manuals are *not* written
- >>by the programmers but by docs specialists.
- >
- >If you read my post carefully you would see that I said "MANY TIMES" not ALL
- >the time...
-
- Yes, and I didn't want to say you were lying, but to give an information
- how it's done at Commodore and that at least *this* issue is not a first
- reason to be concerned.
-
- >And just because something is written by a "specialist" does not AUTOMATICALLY
- >mean that any fool/idiot can understand it.
-
- Yes, of course. Nobody's perfect.
-
- >I don't know what kind of Dr. you are, Sir, but if you have ever tried to
- >teach, you may have noticed that there are some students that you have to
- >clobber with bricks and TOTAL simplicity to get them to understand even the
- >most simple concepts, that to you are second nature/common knowledge.
-
- Again you are completely right. I studied Physics and during my time at uni
- one of my main tasks was to teach pharmaceuts (sp?) some physics. You can't
- imagine less physics-motivated people than these. And yes, we had to do it
- like for the extreme dumb ones.
-
- But with computer manuals, there's a dilemma, we sit between a whole number
- of chairs:
- - If we do manuals for the dumb ones, the more literate users complain,
- what this company has an imagination of its users, they feel really
- blamed.
- - If we do manuals for the literate ones, the others complain about not
- understandable docs.
- - If we do both, the docs get so much volume that a) Commodore bosses
- complain about the cost, b) all (:-) users complain because they can't
- find anything in these mountains of paper.
- - Some people like lengthy and wordy explanations. When we do this, the
- others complain about too much redundance and bloating.
- - Some people like compact, short and precise information. When we do
- this, the others complain about lack of "explanation".
-
- So my conclusion is that it's perfectly impossible to create documentation
- that satisfies *every* user. They are sooo different. But of course we
- *try* to satisfy as many as possible. This is a case of nonlinear
- optimization and you never know where the optimum really is. But I can
- assure you that we listen to our customers and try to fix recognized
- deficiencies, once spotted.
-
- >(BTW, I have trouble understanding the docs that came with the 2.04 ROM. I keep
- >getting the impression that I need to have some sort of "background" which I
- >don't have, in order to make sense out of the terminology used. It doesn't seem
- >to match the terminology I am used to from MAC/MS-DOS/APPLE ][ and CP/M. Like,
- >what the H*ll is a "commodity"???
-
- Don't ask me. We even had no word for translating this into German. So for
- us, this is simply a name of a drawer holding a certain type of service
- programs. In English it's thought as something comfortable, if I read my
- dictionary correctly... (I'm german, you know)
-
- >...nor can I understand the difference between a utility, a tool or
- >a project... *whimper*)
-
- Well, a project is data, not program code (but OTOH, program source files
- for an interpreter or compiler are also considered as projects), or better
- "not directly excutable code". The differences between "tools", "utilities",
- "commodities" or things in the System drawer are indeed not very big.
- For Commodities, you can state that they are all handlers inserted into
- the input data stream, doing some interesting and nice things there. They
- are defined by their use.
-
- --
- Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel // E-Mail to \\ Only my personal opinions...
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