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- From: koren@fc.hp.com (Steve Koren)
- Subject: Re: QIC 40 Tape support
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- Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:07:40 GMT
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- William D McClendon (mcclend@infonode.ingr.com) wrote:
-
- > I recently found a backup tape device meant for PC's that is
- > QIC 40 and uses the floppy controller.
- > Will the Amiga floppy controller work?
- > Will this device work at all?
-
- I doubt it would work.
-
- Hanging the tape off the floppy controller on PC's is a kludgey way to
- get a cheap interface.
-
- This is about 3rd hand information by now, so I might have some of this
- wrong, but this is how I think the PC "floppy" tape thing works based on
- an explanation I heard from a friend who knows a lot about PC hardware:
-
- 1. The PC floppy bus was initially designed for 4 floppies (ala
- TRS-80).
-
- 2. There are four lines which control the floppy address (0-4). (4
- lines would usually give you 16 possible devices, but there is no
- decoding logic - they just use one line per device, meaning 4
- possible devices).
-
- 3. There is single line which controls the floppy motors - all of
- them. Note that since there is just one line, you have to turn
- *all* the floppy motors on or off at once - again, ala TRS-80.
-
- 4. IBM found this (turning all motors on at once) unacceptable. They
- then reduced the bus to supporting TWO floppies (needing two select
- lines) and used one of the free'd select lines as a motor select -
- low for one floppy, high for the other. This let them run just the
- motor in the active drive instead of all motors at once. Why they
- couldn't get this directly from the floppy select lines, I don't
- know.
-
- 5. Doing 4) meant that there is an unused select line on the floppy
- bus that can be used for a tape drive, sort of. (Ie, two lines to
- select the drive, one for the motor select, and the free one). I
- suspect they have to do some funky things to make the tape drive
- look kind of like a floppy to the floppy controller, but who knows.
-
- That should be at least close to the story. At any rate, the Amiga
- floppy system isn't set up like that (I dunno how it works, but I
- suspect it is much less kludgy), and doesn't use the same floppy
- controller, so I doubt you'd have much luck. With enough detailed
- knowledge of what's going on, and a full set of specs to the drive, you
- might be able to patch something together, but I personally wouldn't
- attempt it. A SCSI drive, on the other hand, is easy to add to the
- Amiga if you have a SCSI controller already. You just plug it in, set
- the bus address to something unused, pick up tar and BTN-tape, and
- you're all set.
-
- - steve
-