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- From: bad@flatlin.ka.sub.org (Christoph Badura)
- Subject: Re: Dumb Americans (was INTERNATIONALIZATION: JAPAN, FAR EAST)
- Organization: Guru Systems/Funware Department
- Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:35:28 GMT
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- In <8496@charon.cwi.nl> dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter) writes:
-
- >In article <1i2durINN2pj@rodan.UU.NET> avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov) writes:
- [I don't know who wrote the following paragraph.]
- > > >Moreover, one question: how would you encode the German A-umlaut such that
- > > >it sorts properly (i.e. as if it is the letter combination AE)?
-
- You can't. There are several sorting orders in use in Germany.
-
- > > The sorting order should be strict -- if you have two identical words
- > > with a-umlaut and ae in the middle is it the same word? If it is then
- > > ae IS a variation of a-umlaut and should always be treated as a signle
- > > letter.
-
- That depends. The "Duden" (_the_ German Dictionary) considers them to
- be distinct.
-
- >I do not think you understand. From the AVON (Amtliches Verzeichnis der
- >Ortnetzkennzahlen) edition 1985, which gives area codes for the places in
- >Germany. The next is a selection of places mentioned ("o is o-umlaut):
- > Modautal
- > M"ockm"uhl
- > ...
- > M"ornsheim
- > Moers
- > M"ossingen
- > ...
- > M"otzingen
- > Mogendorf
- >now come up with a coding that allows this (standard German) sorting.
-
- This is _not_ standard German sorting, it's standard German PTT
- sorting (and quite confusing at times).
-
- The Duden treats umlauts as the corresponding vowel with respect to
- sorting order (i.e. "o sorts the same as o etc.)
-
- A side note: the German alphabet as teached in elementary school
- consists of the letters a-z followed by the umlauts "a, "o, and "u;
- the double-s isn't contained in that set. (That's what I remember,
- anyway.)
-
- >Note that it is not allowed to spell Moers as M"ors, that is a severe
- >spelling error! On the other hand in the absense of umlauts it is
- >allowable to spell "o as oe (because it is in fact a shorthand for it),
- >but to do so when there are umlauts available does not look very good.
-
- And is in fact a spelling error. Writing oe instead of "o is only
- allowed in the absence of real umlauts in the character set.
-
- --
- Christoph Badura --- bad@flatlin.ka.sub.org
-
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