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- From: discar@nosc.mil (Joe Discar)
- Subject: Re: FCC will proclaim Microsoft is run by Communists! : )
- Message-ID: <1993Jan7.203326.8534@nosc.mil>
- Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego
- References: <8326@lib.tmc.edu> <1993Jan5.190756.23050@nosc.mil> <wiegand.726347492@lido16>
- Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:33:26 GMT
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- In article <wiegand.726347492@lido16> motcid!wiegand@uunet.uu.net writes:
- >discar@nosc.mil (Joe Discar) writes:
- >
- >[Stuff deleted]
- >
- >>Likewise, vendors are out there selling MSDOS and Windows because their
- >>clients WANT MS-DOS and Windows.
- >
- >This assumes all users are well informed and making intelligent choices.
- >I would suggest that many users simply take whatever is offered by the
- >computer maker without researching the alternatives. So to some extent
- >the "demand" for MS-DOS is created by the dealers themselves.
- >
-
- Oh, so you would prefer that seamstresses and carpet sweepers "research"
- their alternatives in a technical thing such as an operating system?
- Nice thought, but unrealistic. The "need" for MSDOS and Windows is generated
- because of Applications... applications that may (or may not) run well
- (or at all) under OS/2... on the machine configuration that the client
- desires.
-
- I just checked with three other vendors in my area... the typical system
- they sell if a 486-33 with 4 megs of RAM. RAM may be cheap, but clients
- WOULD rather save themselves $120 off the cost of the system... and OS/2
- does not run well in 4 megs of RAM.
-
- Now, Microsoft has come up with a plan to offer MS-DOS and Windows for a
- cheap price... but mind you, IBM can do the same.
-
- In short, it is NOT the dealers that create the "demand" for MS-DOS. IT
- is the desire for Microwave-oven-convenience. Many buyers don't care
- how a Microwave oven works, or whether or not it contains a Phillips
- tube or a Goldstar tube--they care whether or not it will cook their
- food. Likewise, until OS/2 can boast the same SOFTWARE support (and
- stability) as DOS+Windows, I doubt that people will be flocking to
- Egghead software to buy it.
-
- Mind you, I've just seen OS/2 2.1... and I think that I'd be switching
- soon (it does almost everything I want it to do, but wish to make sure
- that it will be compatible with the software and applications and hardware
- I use)--it's a great deal better than OS/2 2.0 was.
-
- BTW--I know that OS/2 2.0 works pretty well with all the CSD and patches
- and voodoo installed... but would you, as a vendor, trust that the
- resulting system will bring customer satisfaction?
-
-
- >> And because so many of them want it,
- >>the vendors find it profitable to get the best deal they can on it. This
- >>leads to cheaper prices for the vendor, cheaper prices for ALL of the
- >>clients, and bigger profits for the developer. The only people that aren't
- >>happy are a minority that can't get it through their heads that the
- >>resulting price of the system is usually CHEAPER than if the vendor never
- >>signed the agreement.
- >
- >I don't see why this would lead to cheaper prices for everyone.
- >That's a big statement to make without some proof.
-
- I cannot offer anything but my own experience as a vendor (since every
- vendor conducts business with his clients and his suppliers in
- different ways).
-
- I am a vendor--yes, I actually sell hardware and peripherals. I KNOW
- how volume can actually lower the overall price of the systems. One
- distributor I have offered a system that was comparable to one I was
- already using (same mother board and case design)--but with a multi I/O
- card that I didn't want. But since the extended price of the system
- +cost of my DESIRED card (from another distributor) was LESS than the
- system I had been using before, I bought it (and now have a bunch of
- unused multi-I/O cards from clients who didn't want 'em).
-
- Now, did I lower the cost of the system to my clients? Sure did. Did I
- offer an even lower cost to those who didn't like the supplied multi-I/O
- card (I explained my reservations about it... namely gameport compatibility)?
- Of course not--but I gave them a good deal on the correct card (my cost).
- Is this immoral? No: I am offering the same system at a much reduced
- cost than before... and I am making money. And since my price is
- better than other vendors in my field (insurance industry), my volume has
- picked up and....
- .... I can get even a BETTER price on the system because of the increased
- volume (I used to buy systems at QTY 2. Now I buy them at QTY 6).
-
- The Microsoft Plan? I reviewed the MLP, and turned it down. I have not
- felt any repercussions from the (ahem) "force" that Microsoft is
- exerting on me.
-
-
- >
- >--
- >------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- >Robert Wiegand - Motorola Inc.
- >motcid!wiegand@uunet.uu.net uunet!motcid!wiegand
- >Disclamer: I didn't do it - I was somewhere else at the time.
-
- Sorry I couldn't provide real proof.
-
- Joe.
- My opinions only.
-
-