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- From: discar@nosc.mil (Joe Discar)
- Subject: Re: FCC will proclaim Microsoft is run by Communists! :)
- Message-ID: <1993Jan5.190756.23050@nosc.mil>
- Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego
- References: <8317@lib.tmc.edu> <1993Jan5.011546.28910@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> <8326@lib.tmc.edu>
- Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:07:56 GMT
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- In article <8326@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
- >
- >.... Gateway 2000 can choose to put MS-DOS and Windows on all their
- >computers if they wish, but it's not right for MS to force them to...yet
- >that's exactly what's happening.
-
- Microsoft did not FORCE Gateway to choose to put MS-DOS on all their
- machines. Gateway CHOSE to do so. Gateway is CONTINUOUSLY choosing to do
- so. They can, at any given timeframe, simply say "well, MS-DOS+Windows is
- not selling as well as it used to--too many customers are asking for OS/2,
- so let's start shipping machines with OS/2 instead. Betty get me the number
- for IBM..."
-
- As I've posted before, exclusivity is NOT new to the world. Soda pop
- companies "force" (to use your terminology) large fast food chains to sign
- exclusivity agreements. That's why you won't see pepsi in Burger King or
- McDonalds... But the fast food restaraunts can always switch companies
- IF THEY DEEM IT PROFITABLE TO DO SO--Burger King made headlines when it
- switched to Coke... but the FTC didn't go near ANY of the transactions.
-
- So puh-lease be a little objective. Microsoft does a lot of things that
- many of us don't like... but the only reason we let them get away with it,
- when all is said and done, is because they do make products that work for
- a majority of people.
-
- Let IBM do the same.
-
- >
- >>Of course. But he doesn't have the right to do it at any arbitrary price
- >>he wants. In a just and fair society, if you want something that someone
- >>else has, you're going to have to cut a voluntary deal with them.
- >
- >True. The problem is the coercive nature of the deal MS wants you to cut with
- >them.
- >
-
- Dammit. If you want to ride the Matterhorn, ya gotta go to Disneyland. And
- if you think the entrance fee is "fair" you obviously don't have a family
- of six (like I do). If you want MS-DOS or Windows you gotta go to Microsoft...
- there just is no way you can get those products otherwise. Is this the
- "coersion" you're talking about?
-
- Sure, you can argue that there are other amusement parks than Disneyland--but
- there are other operating systems than Dos and Windows. It's just that if
- your kids demand to go see Mickey Mouse, they won't be happy at Magic
- Mountain.
-
- Likewise, vendors are out there selling MSDOS and Windows because their
- clients WANT MS-DOS and Windows. And because so many of them want it,
- the vendors find it profitable to get the best deal they can on it. This
- leads to cheaper prices for the vendor, cheaper prices for ALL of the
- clients, and bigger profits for the developer. The only people that aren't
- happy are a minority that can't get it through their heads that the
- resulting price of the system is usually CHEAPER than if the vendor never
- signed the agreement.
-
- >>That's like saying that I'm trying to exercise undue control over a house
- >>I didn't build when I forbid you from filling your living room with my
- >>furniture. If you want my furniture you'll have to buy it from me--and
- >>if I say that you must fill every room with my furniture or I won't sell it
- >>too you that's my business, not the FTC's.
- >
- >No, that's restraint of trade, and coercion, and wrong, and illegal.
-
- One can choose ANY agreement that doesn't infringe upon your rights as a
- citizen. If you really wanted my computer system, I can sell it to you
- on the grounds that you never erase the data on the hard disk. If you say
- "No" I can always refuse to sell it to you.
-
- >--
- >Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
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