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- From: timbol@netcom.com (Mike Timbol)
- Subject: Re: SMALL Excerpt from "Windows Sources"
- Message-ID: <1993Jan4.222330.21712@netcom.com>
- Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
- References: <47798@ogicse.ogi.edu> <1992Dec30.031820.21424@netcom.com> <1hr8mbINN58h@cae.cad.gatech.edu>
- Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:23:30 GMT
- Lines: 94
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- In article <1hr8mbINN58h@cae.cad.gatech.edu> chris@cad.gatech.edu (Chris McClellen) writes:
- >In <1992Dec30.031820.21424@netcom.com> timbol@netcom.com (Mike Timbol) writes:
- >
- >>In article <47798@ogicse.ogi.edu> francis@ese.ogi.edu (Francis Moraes) writes:
- >>>In reference to a post by chris@cad.gatech.edu (Chris McClellen)
- >>>timbol@netcom.com (Mike Timbol) writes:
- >>>
- >
- >>The point is that the shipping NT should require 8 MB minimum, but this
- >>minimum doesn't mean the same thing as the OS/2 minimum. As Petzold
- >>suggested (although he may be pushing it) NT should be much more usable
- >>in 8 MB (its stated minimum) than OS/2 is in 4 MB.
- >
- >I read the article differently then.
-
- Actually, I didn't read the article, only your excerpt. It seemed that
- he was talking about NTs targetted requirements, not about the current
- Beta version. However, as I said, I didn't read the article so I could
- be wrong.
-
- > It seems he was stating that the
- >8 megs was a minimum if you want to run the system well. The speed
- >of NT in 8 meg is comparable to the SPEED (im not talking features)
- >of OS2 in 4 meg right now. (meaning: they both are slow as hell).
-
- Right now I would almost agree. I would say that NT in 8 MB is slow
- as hell, but that OS/2 in 4 MB is slower than hell. (How slow is hell,
- anyway?) But the difference isn't much.
-
- >So when he says the minimum for both os2 and NT is 8 meg.. or rather
- >says youll WANT 8 megs for either system makes it sound like NT runs
- >just as well in 8 megs as OS2 does ("well" means speedwise). This
- >(in my view) makes petzold not look so bright. If a customer came
- >to me and said "Petzold said NT & OS2 run the same in 8 megs," and
- >I demoed both in 8 megs, Petzold would look stupid. Maybe I read
- >the article different than you, but the statement he made was quite
- >blunt, and exactly as I originally posted. The minimum (as petzold
- >seems to have defined it) for NT should actually be a bit higher than
- >8 megs, which meansm BOTH companies are "not being honest."
-
- Actually, he says "you'll want...at least 8 megs of memory". If he's
- talking about the beta version and you demoed the beta version, he
- would look stupid. But if he was talking about the non-existent final
- version, and you demoed that when it was released, he would be close.
- That's why I suspect that he was talking about NTs targetted requirements,
- not the current beta version.
-
- >>I didn't say he couldn't express his opinions, but posting things like
- >>NT in 16 MB is the same as OS/2 in 8 MB means nothing when you don't
- >>really know what you're talking about. I've sure he's heard a lot
- >>about NT, but not all of it is necessarily true, so making comparisons
- >>based on faulty information is meaningless. (Based on what he had
- >
- >I DID NOT SAY THAT. Typical of people to put words in others mouths.
- >I SAID: "NT in 8 megs runs about as fast as OS2 in 4 megs." Big difference
- >from what you claim I said. You dont know what you are talking about.
-
- Recognize the following paragraphs?
-
- The above quoted paragraph shows Petzold's ignorance. He claims
- OS 2 2.0 NEEDS 8 megs to run. Well, OS/2 runs in 4 megs about as well
- as NT runs in 8 megs. NT Beta needs about 16 megs of memory, and alot
- of that 100 meg HD, if not all.
-
- ...
-
- So, Petzold should have said OS2 needs about 8 megs, where as NT needs
- about 16 megs. When he said 8 megs, he was stating NT's minimum, not
- OS/2's.
-
- You wrote them. So, since OS/2 needs 4 MB and you're saying that NT needs
- 16 MB are you implying that NT in 16 MB is the same as OS/2 in 4 MB?
- If what I wrote isn't what you said, what, then, do you mean when you say
- that NT needs 16 MB and OS/2 needs 8 MB?
-
- >My whole opinion was that petzold's article was garbage. However,
- >I expected an NT bigot or supporter to retout my statements with the
- >famous "You dont know what you are talking about..You are ignorant.."
- >etc every time you say something they dont what to hear.
- >
- >I was not spreading misinformation. I was giving an opinion about petzold's
- >article. But alas, you probably didnt care. all you probably saw
- >was NT vs OS2, and that the poster uses OS2 more than NT.
-
- Actually, I read your entire article pretty carefully. Some main points:
-
- Petzold is ignorant (debatable, I suppose)
- NT requires 16 MB memory.
- NT requires almost 100 MB hard disk space.
-
- Are you saying all of these are true?
-
- - Mike
-
-