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- From: richb@jti.com (Richard Braun)
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- Subject: Re: It's installed, now what? (was Re: A flight of marketing fancy)
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- Date: 9 Jan 93 19:28:53 GMT
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- tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o) writes:
- >Actually, the approach taken by Project Athena and Linux are quite
- >different. Project Athena was written in exactly one place: at MIT.
- >Linux is being developed all over the world. The goals of Project
- >Athena was did not include taking over the world (although that would
- >have been nice), and so the fact that there weren't a lot of spinoffs
- >isn't that important.
-
- My point wasn't about geography, it was about development philosophy;
- it's wise for those of us who are now (or are considering) contributing
- to Linux to remember that a system like this could have "big tent"
- appeal to far more people if the development isn't accompanied by too
- much religious dogma. (E.g., we'll make software developers happy now
- and we'll get to the rest later, etc.)
-
- >I should mention, though, that the Athena environment has been exported
- >to other sites; it is not true that it is only running at MIT. You can
- >buy it from DEC as "DECathena", and there have been a couple of other
- >sites which have picked up the Athena distribution and set it up on their
- >own. Granted, not a lot, but there are some.
-
- A couple of years before Athena started, my own alma mater (the
- University of Delaware) set up something called the Office for Computer
- Based Instruction; it was an offshoot of the Plato academic environment
- developed at CDC and the University of Illinois. Like Athena, it had
- ambitious goals which didn't include "taking over the world". Essentially
- the point was to revolutionize computer-based teaching, and indeed Athena
- also took a stab at this. Plato was installed at 15-20 sites around the
- world before it collapsed like a dinosaur (you needed a $5 million
- computer to run it), so it did fulfill a moderate sized niche for a
- while. Anyway, I digress: compared with the contribution made thus far
- by the Free Software Foundation, both Athena and OCBI haven't seen similar
- success.
-
- I didn't post to denigrate the fine work done by Athena developers,
- only to point out that if you want top-quality software to realize its
- fullest potential, you must not only implement it well but you also
- have to satisfy the needs of a large base of users and make them aware
- of your efforts. Not an easy problem to solve.
-
- >Anyway, I digress. I also think it is misleading for people to say that
-
- >I don't particularily care whether or not Linux ever supplants MS-DOS or
- >OS/2. I'm not an ideologue like some of the people at the FSF are. So
- >if Linux is only used by just the hackers, that's O.K.
-
- Here we disagree. At my most recent job, and even to a certain extent
- at my current one, I had an ongoing struggle over universal information
- access. Too often, an organization will set up islands of connectivity
- and/or functionality. Then you have one set of people using one set of
- tools, happily ignoring the other set of people using different ones.
- It hurts efficiency and puts artificial divisions between people when
- "you can't get there from here".
-
- Something really neat about the U.S. highway system, if you think about it,
- is that from any address you can drive to *any* other address using any
- type of car.
-
- OS/2, MS-DOS, Unix, and Linux are like cars: different ways of getting
- places. But right now they're all on different continents and the ferries
- are rather expensive and/or tedious. (OK, that's enough of this analogy!)
-
- I'd like to see Linux interoperate well with DOS, OS-2, Unix, and any
- other popular system, handling network connectivity, data file
- formats, file systems, program execution, ease of administration, and
- so on. By doing so, it'll find a bigger niche, and Linux hackers
- won't be off in some separate virtual corner of the planet. It's got
- a great start, and my postings should be taken as encouragement in
- this direction, not bashing, since I have yet to learn who many of the
- developers are.
-
- -rich
-