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- Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 02:02:14 GMT
- From: rlucas@bvsd.Co.EDU (Richard Lucas)
- Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
- Subject: Re: Additional Phone Charges
- Message-ID: <telecom13.17.6@eecs.nwu.edu>
- Organization: Boulder Valley School District
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- X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 13, Issue 17, Message 6 of 9
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- In article <telecom13.7.4@eecs.nwu.edu> TDARCOS@MCIMAIL.COM writes:
-
- > I may have mentioned this before, but the simplest way to get the
- > equivalent of an unlisted number is to ask for the phone to be listed
- > {without address} under your roommate's name of Zyagur Xeanamux. When
- > someone calls asking for him, you know that it's a telemarketer.
- > What, you mean you don't have a roommate by that name? Exactly ...
-
- In an earlier message in this issue of TELECOM Digest, John
- Higdon (I think) mentions Pat's problems with repair and comments
- about IBT having a touch of Ma Bell still with them. Having worked a
- few years ago on the class action lawsuit against what is now US WEST,
- I was astonished in my research to discover just how much of Ma Bell
- was still present in the business office practices of different Baby
- Bells. With that experience in mind I hope that the following
- comments on Paul Robinson's message will apply in most parts of the
- country. These comments are made as a former service rep.
-
- Your basic account record/service order is likely to carry two
- distinct sets of information - listing and billing. They do NOT have
- to match each other, which provides the method of avoiding the non-pub
- charge. Request that the LN (Listed Name) be some made-up name (I've
- seen listings in people's dog's name, and one employee had hers
- entered as Raggety, A.), and the billing lines to read:
-
- BN1 John Smith for
- BN2 A. Raggety
-
- The key question to the company when I worked for them was
- billing responsibility. As long as the first line of the billing info
- (the BN1) was the responsible party, we really didn't care too much
- about the LN. The CI (Credit/Contact Information portion of the
- order/record) was tied to the responsible party. The closer to a
- `real' name your LN request is, the less trouble you'll have getting
- it by the service rep; more unusual combinations may simply involve
- more haggling if the rep is in his/her God mode.
-
- It's your phone line and you don't want to be listed, but your
- roommate does? Avoid the additional listing charge by giving them the
- LN/BN2, and you take the BN1 responsibility. Works great!
-
- Other codes to consider: Our listing has the (OAD) and (OCLS)
- codes in the listing line -- the first translates to Out Address
- Directory and keeps us out of the listings by address book the company
- produces, and the second translates to Out Customer Listing Service
- and keeps us off the customer listings lists that they sell to other
- companies. For an address we simply list our community name
- (Boulder); our service record shows that for the LA (Listed Address -
- which can also be completely blank) and then has a SA (Service
- Address) for the actual physical location. There's all sorts of
- listing tricks available, but the ones that don't generate revenue are
- rarely mentioned. Pressing the service reps for additional details is
- completely legitimate, and even serves as a reasonable test of whether
- or not the rep knows what they're doing.
-
- As a footnote to the listings question, I audited the service
- records of the individuals specifically named in the class action
- lawsuit's initial filing. One of them, a doctor, had both a non-pub
- listing (his name) AND an additional listing (roommate's name), with
- the corresponding monthly charges (almost $3/month total). Besides
- being a stupid way of doing it (give her the LN/BN2 and him the BN1,
- for NO monthly charge), it was against the tariff rules in place at
- the time. While the subsequent lawsuit settlement returned to him the
- overcharge for the inside wire maintenance agreement, that overcharge
- was only a tiny fraction of the listings overcharge. I did notify one
- of the telco's attorneys about the listings problem, but didn't have a
- current letter of authorization to follow up on the matter. I
- wouldn't be surprised to find the charges still in place today,
- particularly since a number of service reps had probably accessed his
- records between the lawsuit filing and my audit without ever
- mentioning (much less correcting) the listings problem.
-
- Footnote 2: Linebacker is an ENHANCED wire maintenance agreement,
- NOT the basic agreement. One poster a few months ago mentioned getting
- service in the northern midwest, with Linebacker mentioned in a way
- that indicated that it was presented as the basic maintenance
- agreement. It isn't in Colorado, and I doubt it is elsewhere either.
-
-
- Rick Lucas (rlucas@bvsd.co.edu)
- Debate Coach, Fairview HS, Boulder, CO
-
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