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- Subject: Re: Psych Studies/Model Tests
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- [Martin Taylor 930108 14:00]
- (Rick Marken 930108.0900)
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- Is this the time to get back to the unresolved discussions on statistics?
- I don't think so, but I'm willing. I'm starting off my information-theory-
- leads-to-PCT with a basic discussion of probability and statistics, anyway,
- so it will be part of that. But we could do it separately if you want.
-
- Quite apart from that, I have a real problem with how a PCT approach to
- psychophysics could differ from a conventional approach. In a typical
- psychophysical experiment, a subject is asked to discriminate between
- two possibilities for which event was presented on a particular trial, or
- to react as fast as possible with one of two discriminative responses to
- a pattern that might be of type A or of type B. There's no opportunity
- for the subject to reduce the error of a perception. The action is
- performed, the experimenter records which action it was, and the whole
- cycle starts again with no informational connection between the last
- action and the next presentation. The only feedback that can do anything
- is an indication as to whether the action was right or wrong, and that
- feedback can only contribute to reorganization, not to the actions or
- perceptions on the next trial.
-
- [Actually, there are contingencies between trials that can be used to
- determine that the observer is not behaving in the same mode all through
- the experiment. These are very small, though important in determining
- what is going on inside the subject: Taylor, Forbes & Creelman, J. acoustical
- Society of America, 1983, 74, 1367-1374 (Rick--I'll include it with the
- other ones I' sending you). They aren't relevant to the question I am
- raising here.]
-
- Why should taking a PCT approach make any difference to the way psychophysical
- experiments are done or interpreted? The results of psychophysical
- experiments can put limits on the possible Perceptual Input Functions
- and can perhaps speak to whether the perception is differentiated or the
- output integrated (Avery Andrews 920101.2030). But from the other
- direction, I really can't see the connection. The subject is presumed
- to be satisfying a reference something like perceiving the experimenter
- to be pleased with his/her performance, and the result of that is the
- set of actions that have no direct feedback consequences on the experimental
- presentations.
-
- Martin
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