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- From: tp0x+@cs.cmu.edu (Thomas Price)
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- Subject: Re: Buddhism & Science
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- Date: 1 Jan 93 16:26:33 GMT
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- This thread pushes one of my buttons.
-
- I'm interested in these "theory-of-everything" books, have paged through
- _Reality and Empathy_ (and was shocked to see it referenced in the latest
- edition of Huston Smith's _The World Religions_), and am reading David
- Bohm's _Wholeness and the Implicate Order_. There are other works which
- fit into this category that I've seen but can't remember the titles. Also
- I've read magazine articles in this genre.
-
- There *is* a connection between modern physics and Buddhism: both teach that
- "there are no objects, only events".
-
- That said, I tend to groan inwardly whenever an author starts wanking away
- about quantum physics. It would be fine -- nay, wonderful -- if any one
- of these guys would say something so restrained as "the cosmological and
- ontological models of physical science have always been involved in a
- reciprocal relationship with the cosmological and ontological models of
- religion, literature, and the humanities", and THEN give examples, (for
- instance, Newtonian physics, Archbishop Paley's divine watchmaker metaphor,
- the Deist's Almighty Architect concept, etc.) and THEN proceed by analogy,
- as in, "the model of reality given us by modern physical science is
- surprisingly in accord with Buddhist thinking. Let's consider how
- scientific models are related to models in the humanities and start exploring
- some Buddhist thoughts and see how we might make use of them, now that we're
- thinking (thanks to science) in terms congenial to such thoughts!"
-
- Instead -- and I've only gotten through Bohm's first two chapters -- we get
- a very suggestive, and interesting, but bewildering snarl of handwaving
- and bald assertions. David Bohm clearly is a superintelligent man who has
- done no primary source reading in philosophy, comparative religions, or
- cognitive history. He gives the impression that he's read some
- summaries of those fields and a lot of lightweight thought-synthetic theories
- by people like him, and now he's written one of his own.
-
- I am eager to see what happens when he actually gets to talking about
- quantum physics. I fear that, as usual, he will start asserting connections
- among quantum physics, religion, and culture, without ever making clear
- what the causal relationships are or how such jumping from one context
- to another is at all justifiable.
-
- I no longer believe in conspiracies, nor in quick fixes. To understand
- ideas one must do the scut-work of extensive reading in philosophy and
- comparative religions. TANSTAFFL. These one-book wonders are entertaining
- but not useful. Disclaimer: I am desperately eager to find one which
- lives up to its billing. If you can recommend one, please email me. So far
- the most impressive theory-of-everything book for me is Camille Paglia's
- _Sexual Personae_ -- in which it is clear that she has read her primary
- sources, all the references are given, and the critical apparatus is made
- clear.
-
-
- Tom Price | tp0x@cs.cmu.edu | Free will? What free will?
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