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- From: cash@convex.com (Peter Cash)
- Subject: Re: Buddhism & Science
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- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 21:31:26 GMT
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- In article <memo.834816@cix.compulink.co.uk> shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
- ...
-
- >Precisely. IMHO Buddhists have a FAR clearer picture of what is mind,
- >and what is not.
-
- Really. Mind telling us where you find this clear picture? First of all,
- talking about Buddhist philosophy as a unitary whole is pretty
- fatuous--Buddhist philosophy is very diverse, and the literature is, shall
- we say, extensive. So which school or which Buddhist thinkers are you
- referring to? (You aren't going to cite Alan Watt, surely?)
-
- Furthermore, I would have thought that if there is _one_ thread that runs
- through most of Buddhist philosophy, it is the "anatman" principle--the
- contention that man has no enduring soul or mind. So you might say that the
- Buddhist contribution to the philosophy of mind is to reject questions
- about "mind" as nonsense. (A position with which I am fundamentally in
- agreement, by the way.)
-
- >Although I believe that modern philosophers are
- >getting close when they start talking about the all embracing role of
- >language.
-
- Mysterious assertion, that.
- ...
-
- >Agreed, but there IS more to it than 'only phrasiology' Buddhism is
- >perhaps the greatest 'thought experiment' that has ever been done.
- >Budhhism is the logical extrapolation of the greek idea that the
- >world could be understood by pure logic. Buddhism tried, and reports
- >back that all is mind :-)
-
- This leaves me wondering where you got your picture of Buddhism. Certainly,
- logic was very important for Indian Buddhism--one can't study Buddhism and
- ignore thinkers like Nagarjuna, Dignaga or Dharmakirti, though
- elsewhere--e.g., China--Buddhism did not develop a strong tradition of
- logic scholarship. (You might try reading Stcherbatsky's _Buddhist Logic_
- for a thorough grounding on this subject). But how do you imagine that the
- study of logic lead any Buddhists to the conclusion that logic helps one
- understand the fundamental nataure of the universe, and that "all is mind"?
- If there truly is a typical Buddhist answer to a question like, "What is
- the fundamental nature of the unverse?", then it is that the universe is
- void. (The alternative answer is for the master to deliver a sharp rap to
- the side of your head.)
-
- >It should act as a salutary lesson to all scientists who espouse
- >logic over and above experience and experimental data.
-
- >It is not Tagi who is contemplating his navel Mister Cash....
-
- Neither he nor you has yet said anything that leads me to suspect that
- either of you knows what he is talking about. Do you, for example, know
- _anything_ at all about Buddhism?
-
-
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