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- From: bennett@adobe.com(Bennett Leeds)
- Subject: Re: re: Jointer vs Planer - Thanks
- Message-ID: <1992Dec22.192324.5186@adobe.com>
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- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:23:24 GMT
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- Normally in this situation I wouldn't be posting, since the Mr. Houtz's
- followup added nothing that hadn't be stated or countered earlier. However,
- I feel the need to set the record straight:
-
- G. Paul Houtz writes
- > bennett@adobe.com(Bennett Leeds) writes:
- > G. Paul Houtz writes
- > >> I would keep the jointer and let go of the planer. The planer is nice, but
- > >> I could live with higher priced 1/2 inch stock.
- > >
- > >You're trying to have it both ways here. If you let go of the planer, you
- > >remove the asset of "face jointing before planing," since you can no longer
- > >thickness plane. And you've complained about the 1/2" stock that you
- > >buy not being really straight, because commercially noone face joints
- > >before thickness planing.
- >
- > No I'm not. You have combined a number of things I have said into
- > a conclusion I did not make. I did not say that if I let go fo the
- > planer I would still be able to have perfectly flat dead parallel
- > faces.
-
- Nobody said that you said that. You touted face jointing before planing
- as a reason to buy a jointer. I simply said that without a planer, it's no
- longer a reason. You did complain about commerically planed lumber. Did you
- not in the earlier post say:
-
- > Lately I have started leveling the faces of lumber before I run it through
- > the planer. I now notice that my "flat" lumber I was buying from the
- > wholesaler just isn't quite flat. The difference shows up in the end result.
- > Drawers that assemble easier and fit better, cleaner joints and angles,
- > more reliable dimensions, etc.
-
- This is an exact quote of an entire paragraph. Note the combination of
- your first and second sentences, the first touting face jointing before
- planing, the second complaining about the quality of the pre-planed
- stock you buy commerically.
-
- You did the combining, not me.
-
- I agree it's a problem. I agree one *should* face joint before thickness
- planing. I just fail to see why this is a reason to get a jointer if one
- doesn't also have a planer. You and some others have fallen back on stating
- that you like having both a jointer and planer. Fine, and I agree. But,
- the original question, and still the subject line in these posts, is the
- jointer versus the planer - an exclusive arrangement.
-
-
- > >To my way of thinking, it's easier to make a jig to adapt another machine
- > >to perform jointing tasks than it is to adapt another machine to perform
- > >thickness planing tasks. That's my bottom line on this.
- >
- > Yup. Tag Frid shows how to make a jig that turns a jointer into a
- > thickness planer, and I wish I had known about that before I bough
- > the planer.
-
- I discussed this type of jig in my previous post. I think you'd be
- dissapointed in its performance. For why, reread my post.
-
-
- > You could note that my router is built into my saw table, therefore, I
- > cannot use it easily for jointing, and this is true.
-
- Actually, having the router built into your saw table is a great way to
- perform edge jointing. You attach a secondary fence to the tablesaw's
- fence (where the back part of the fence sticks out 1/32" or so more than
- the front), and use it as the router table fence. You joint horizontally,
- using the saw table to support the work.
-
- What makes you think that setting up a router to do jointing is any
- harder or takes longer than setting up a jointer to do planing? If
- anything, it's faster since the jig is simpler.
-
- I also mentioned using your tablesaw as a jointer.
-
-
- > ...I do a LOT of finger joints....The only problem is a little bit of
- > tearout on the back side. My jointer cleans this up perfectly...
-
- Only if the boards are not wider than your jointer. I guess you don't
- need drawers or boxes deeper than 6", though. A planer would do the job
- just as well. If your planer end-snipes, feeding a scrap board immediately
- behind the work will cause the snipe to occur on the scrap instead.
-
-
- > ... and rabbits the back edge of boxes, etc. for a piano hinge
-
- A tablesaw would cut rabbets faster. A router would let you make stopped
- rabbets, or rabbets along curved edges - either of which a jointer can't.
-
-
- > You may work differently,...
-
- I guess I do work differently. For instance, I use a backing board on my
- finger joint jig to I reduce tear out at the source. If I still had some
- tearout, though, I'd probably clean it up with hand plane - probably almost
- as fast and it'd give a better finish than a power jointer.
-
-
- > ...but you can't disagree with my experience, because it is MY experience.
-
- I haven't disagreed with your experience, I've disagreed with your
- recommendations to other woodworkers, and cited why.
-
-
- - Bennett Leeds
- bennett@adobe.com
- Opinions are mine alone.
-