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- From: roma@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Roma)
- Subject: Thebes, Illinois (was Re: Track spirals)
- Message-ID: <Bzr8uC.CA6@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
- Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
- References: <1992Dec24.000745.25559@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
- Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 08:27:34 GMT
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- R.Todd.Minsk@dartmouth.edu (R. Todd Minsk) writes:
-
- >There are also some spirals used to gain elevation for crossing major
- >bridges. I have a circa-1950 track chart for the Chicago & Eastern
- >Illinois (later Missouri Pacific, now Union Pacific) showing a spiral
- >for the Mississippi bridge between Thebes, Illinois and Illmo,
- >Missouri. Without checking, I think the spiral is on the Illinois side.
-
- The spiral is indeed on the Illinois side. The track arrangement at
- Thebes was definitely one of the more unusual I've encountered. The
- lines serving Thebes were as follows:
-
- (1) The double-track Missouri Pacific (Chester Subdivision) main from
- St. Louis enters Thebes in the river valley from the north and
- exits Thebes via the bridge over the Mississippi. This line was
- built in the early years of this century as a low-grade bypass for
- the MP's hilly De Soto Subdivision from St. Louis to Poplar Bluff,
- MO.
-
- (2) The MP had a line diverging from the Chester Sub main running
- south through the river valley do the confluence of the Ohio
- and Mississippi Rivers at Cairo, IL, some 40 miles downriver
- from Thebes.
-
- (3) The Illinois Central (Murphysboro District) from Murphysboro, IL
- (actually Texas Jct.) entered from the north in the river valley.
- Running on a less favorable alignment than the parallel MP,
- the IC's line was dubbed the ``Mud Line'' due to frequent
- flooding and nearly perpetual dampness.
-
- (4) The Chicago & Eastern Illinois (C&EI) line from Chicago entered
- Thebes from the south on an alignment roughly parallel to the MP
- line in (2) above. C&EI's line dovetailed with the IC line in (3)
- above in the center of Thebes. A wye was in service at the junction
- and the tail of the wye led to the MP's Chester Sub and thence to
- Thebes Bridge. Following C&EI's control by the Frisco, C&EI gained
- trackage rights on the bridge to connect with its parent road on
- the opposite side of the river, running as far as Chaffee, MO.
-
- Within the Thebes area on the Illinois side, IC had trackage rights
- on the C&EI to a point a few miles south of Thebes where an IC line
- to Cairo diverged from the C&EI. The union station in Thebes was
- on C&EI property but the jointly-used yards in Thebes were IC
- property.
-
- Here's a very crude diagram of the basic track arrangement at Thebes:
-
- IC | | | MP (StLIM&S)
- (to M'boro) | | | (to St. Louis)
- | | |
- + | |
- |\ | |
- | \ | |
- | \ | |
- | +------ | |
- | / \ | |
- | / \ | |
- |/ \| |
- + | |
- | * * Beginning of SI&MB trackage
- Thebes Union | | |
- Station * | |
- (IC-C&EI) | | | MP Station
- | | +
- | / /|
- | / / |
- SI&MB | / / |
- ----------------------- / |
- ------------------------+ |
- Thebes | \ |
- Bridge | \ |
- (to Illmo, | \|
- MO) | +
- | |
- | |
- | |
- C&EI | | MP (StLIM&S)
- to Chicago | | to Cairo
-
-
- An interesting quirk is that C&EI passenger trains for Chicago left Thebes
- following the river to the SOUTH. This is one example of timetable
- direction running opposite to the compass. Of course the C&EI worked
- its way to the east and then eventually northward after it left the river
- valley.
-
- IC ran passenger service in both directions from Thebes, allowing one to
- reach IC's main line via two circuitous routes.
-
- MP's Chester Sub hosts the St. Louis Southwestern (Cotton Belt) for
- the entire distance from E. St. Louis to Thebes. The bridge itself is
- jointly owned but is operated by Cotton Belt. Cotton Belt trackage proper
- begins at Illmo on the Missouri side and MP has tenant rights from Illmo to
- Dexter, MO. This arrangement dates back to the construction of the bridge
- in the first decade of this century when both MP and Cotton Belt were
- owned by Gould interests.
-
- It seems rather odd from a 1990's context that a out-of-the-way town
- like Thebes could be such a focal point for so many lines. But in the
- days when bridges over the Mississippi were few and far between, Thebes
- (and Cairo as well) assumed importance as locations where freight and
- passengers were ferried over the Mississippi.
-
- As time passed, Thebes' importance dwindled. IC's line south to Cairo
- was pulled up during the Depression since alternate routes were available.
- The remainder of IC's ``Mud Line'' from Murphysboro was abandoned in the
- 1960's as far north as the power station in Grand Tower. MP gained
- control of the C&EI in the mid-1960's and, having numerous better routes
- from Chicago, downgraded and eventually abandoned the old C&EI main.
- Likewise, as Cairo's significance dwindled, the MP line from Thebes to
- Cairo was taken out of service in the seventies.
-
- All that remains in Thebes is the MP's high-speed Chester Sub, now owned
- by Union Pacific and used by UP and SP (Cotton Belt) under the joint
- track arrangement.
-
- I regret never seeing Thebes in its prime, or at least before most of the
- trackage was ripped up. By the time I got there in the early 1980's,
- there was little trace of what must have been a fairly important rail
- center. The town -- which never could have had more than a few hundered
- people -- itself is nearly non-existant and it's difficult to imagine what
- once was.
- --
- Jon Roma
- Computing and Communications Services Office,
- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
- Internet: roma@uiuc.edu UUCP: uunet!uiucuxc!uiuc.edu!roma
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