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- From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
- Subject: Re: Atheism and Intelligence
- Organization: AT&T
- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:45:51 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Dec29.224551.24785@cbnewse.cb.att.com>
- References: <1992Dec10.150808.14891@sunova.ssc.gov> <VXi2VB3w165w@iowegia.uucp> <heflin.725645266@cherokee30>
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- In article <heflin.725645266@cherokee30> heflin@rtsg.mot.com (Suzanne Stratton Heflin) writes:
- >quest@iowegia.uucp (Steve J. Quest) writes:
- >
- >>pamela@sscux1.ssc.gov (pamela gurd) writes:
- >
- >>> It seems to me that the strongest proof of the non-existence
- >>> of God is the lack of obvious moral difference between religious
- >>> people and others. Some of the most moral and compassionate people
- >>> I know are atheists.
- >>>
- >
- >What does the behaviour of "religious people" and non-religious have to
- >do with whether God exists or not?
-
- It seems to me that religion should have a positive effect rather than a
- negative effect if its tenets are true, or for that matter, practical.
- I'd imagine that's what the original poster was thinking of. But
- that's only my opinion, of course.
- >
- >>Pam,
- >
- >> One of the reasons why `god heads' tend to show no morals
- >>or compassion is simply because they can do no wrong and suffer no
- >>guilt. You see, it is my understanding that these people will do
- >>wrong, then pray for forgivness- which since god is something
- >>created in the mind, they get forgiven (they get what ever they
- >>want).
- >
- >I am not an atheist, yet I feel great compassion for your pain that you
- >must have felt in response to your "ex-soulmate's" actions. I also
- >feel compassion that perhaps you are using her as your only example
- >of a "god head." (That's a new one!) How many believers must one know
- >to make a statement that " 'god heads' tend to show NO MORALS OR COM-
- >PASSION" (emphasis mine)? This is not a statement of a particularly
- >compassionate or non-judgemental person; it is more a statement of
- >a hurting person.
-
- Seriously, though, you're right. That's a generalization, obviously.
- >
- >I am not sure what you mean by 'god head', so I will use Christian. By
- >this term, I mean it in a fundamental sense, one who follows Jesus and
- >truly calls him Lord, and Saviour. You say that it is your understanding
- >that "these people will do wrong, then pray for forgiveness." Well,
- >God looks to the heart; praying for forgiveness is meaningless if one is
- >not truly sorry. Surely you realize that many people play at religion;
-
- Certainly. But keep in mind that they may very well be truly sorry.
- Let's not make the mistake that there are "sane, rational people who
- know themselves completely" and "bad people". We're all somewhere
- in between.
-
- GMS
-