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- From: rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller)
- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:33:05 GMT
- Subject: Re: Brother, Can You Spare a Tone
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- In rec.music.compose, mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes:
-
- > Interestingly, the situation ...[i.e. aversion to tonality] ...in choral
- > music improved much more quickly,
- > simply because the patron for most works (namely, the church) for the most
- > part had and has little use for stuff that is "too wierd".
-
- Yes, for the composer who doesn't share the Church's purpose, the relationship
- must needs be uneasy at best. The Church has little use for music which is so
- culturally or stylistically obtuse to the hearers that they cannot get any good
- through it. And, particularly in this century, the church views art from a
- functional, utilitarian perspective, at the expense of art for it's own sake,
- i.e. the joy of co-creation. Not that she is always hostile to it, mind you.
-
- > On the other
- > hand, we are beset with John Rutter on one side and "praise songs" on the
- > other. Oh, and text bowdlerizers.
- ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^
- Hmmmmm. Leaving out the right wing extreme, I see very little active censership
- of text. But if a text has nothing to do with her mission, or is at cross
- purposes to it, why should it be surprising that she passes on it? Somehow, I
- can see little reason for "Carmina Burana" at a high mass...
-
- And should she have no regard for text at all??? Hmmmmm.
-
- And as for the "one hand/other hand", funny, but I find material in the middle
- and actively seek it out. Some of a work by American composer Steve Fry "Thy
- Kingdom Come" (which I am anticipating preparing) is highly colored; though
- tonal, the orchestra is sometimes bit reminiscent of Stravinsky and the choral
- parts of Orff himself...
-
- And the text, e.g.
-
- When men are in bondage,
- When they are sick and afflicted,
- When you speak My deliverance...
- ...Know the Kingdom has come upon you.
-
- or
-
- Father of lies, you would wear out the Saints...
- Piper of Peace, you would lull us to sleep,
- Wolf in the night, who would prey on the sheep...
- ...We would shout, 'the Lord rebuke you'...
-
- is quite a bit stouter than the average "praise song"...
-
- Bob (I love to push the limits of art in the Church) Miller
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