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- From: gustavo@dent.uchicago.edu (Gustavo Comezana)
- Subject: Re: Beginning a classical collection
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- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:47:34 GMT
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- In article <MARCA.92Dec29035642@wintermute.ncsa.uiuc.edu> marca@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Marc Andreessen) writes:
- >In article <BzzAMr.AKD@nic.umass.edu> yang@titan.ucc.umass.edu (HUAYONG YANG) writes:
- >
- > >4) Should one look for particular condutors/orchestras performing that
- > >piece? This really complicates CD selection!
- >
- > Yes. Karajan and Bernstein are top choices.
- >
- >Suggestions from another ignoramus: rather than Karajan, there are
- >quite a few non-Nazi conductors of greater interest. E.g., off the
- >top of my head, Giulini, Dutoit, Jarvi, Harnoncourt (esp for
- >Beethoven), Tennstedt, Chailly, Abbado; younger conductors, Rattle and
- >Andrew Litton; and in authentic instrument land, Norrington, Pinnock,
- >Gardiner.
- >
- >Marc
- >
- >--
- >Marc Andreessen
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- >marca@ncsa.uiuc.edu
-
- I'd like to make a couple of points here:
-
- 1) Nazi or not, Karajan had undeniable talent, and some of his
- recordings have still to meet their match, IMHO. A few examples:
- Honegger's symphonies #2 & 3, Strauss' Four Last Songs (his older
- recording with Janowitz), Verdi's Aida (his second recording, with
- Carreras, Freni and Baltsa), etc. This is not to say that he did not
- record some duds (I never cared much for his Brahms).
-
- 2) With all due respect, I feel that generalizations like Marc's are
- quite worthless as purchasing guidelines. Each and every one of these
- conductors has turned out wonderful work, as well as some pretty
- dreadful records. So let me single out a few areas of the repertoire
- which IMHO are well-served by some of the conductors in the above
- list, and certain things I think they are not so great at:
-
- Giulini: Excellent Verdi, Bruckner, Mahler. His Beethoven and Schubert
- are not to my taste.
-
- Dutoit: Very good in the French repertoire. Not so great elsewhere;
- I must be the only person on Earth who does not care for
- recording of "The Planets".
-
- Jarvi: Generally a good choice in the east-European repertoire. Great
- at exhuming neglected pieces. However, it is often the case
- that in more "standard" repertoire, you can do better
- elsewhere. Great R. Strauss ans Sibelius, though.
-
- Harnoncourt: I agree that his Beethoven is excellent. Elsewhere I am
- less convinced. Least favourite among his recordings:
- Handel's Op. 7.
-
- Tennstedt: No quibbles here. Whatever he does, he does very well, but
- I have a hard time thinking of anything that I've heard from
- him (recorded of live) that was not Beethoven, Bruckner, R.
- Strauss or Mahler.
-
- Chailly: I don't care for his Bruckner (except no. 0), but he's made
- some exceptional recordings of Mahler (Das klagende Lied),
- Schoenberg (Gurre-Lieder), Stravinsky (L'histoire du Soldat, Octet).
-
- Abbado: Very professional, well prepared performances, but too often
- emotionally detached and even uninspired. Sometimes his
- detachment is all to the good (Stravinky's Sacre), sometimes
- it is not (Bartok's Miraculous Mandarin; play Abbado alongside
- Boulez, of all people (!), and you'll see what I mean). Hits:
- Verdi's Macbeth, Prokoviev's Scythian Suite, Lieutenant Kije.
- Duds: Mendelssohn no. 5 (try Sawallisch), Prokofiev's Violin
- Concerti, with Mintz (try Chung/Previn).
-
- Rattle: A little overrated by the English press, not as awful as some
- American press would have you believe. Very good Sibelius
- (great no. 7, but Maazel is better); very bad Janacek (his
- recording of the Glagolitic Mass is incredibly boring).
-
-
- I generally like your early music choices very much, but that doesn't
- mean that they haven't made some records that I didn't like at all:
-
- Pinnock: Bach Violin Concerti
- Norrington: Beethoven no. 9
- Gardiner: Monteverdi's Vespers.
-
-
- Of course, your list also omits some outstanding names whose output is
- of very high quality overall: Carlos Kleiber, Charles Mackerras,
- Wolfgang Sawallisch, Istvan Kertesz, Eugen Jochum, Gunther Wand,
- Giuseppe Sinopoli, Jean Martinon, Kirill Kondrashin, Herbert
- Blomstedt, Riccardo Muti, Leonard Slatkin, Andre Previn, Gerard
- Schwarz, Otto Klemperer, Rudolf Kempe, Frans Bruggen, Sigiswald
- Kuijken, Gustav Leonhardt, Reinhard Goebel, etc. Each has his
- strengths and weaknesses, and I'm sure other netters will want to
- comment on likes and dislikes from this list, as well as add a few
- names to it.
-