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- From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
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- Subject: Re: Pardon Fischer?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec31.165159.758@uoft02.utoledo.edu>
- Date: 31 Dec 92 16:51:59 EST
- References: <1992Dec23.122411.620@uoft02.utoledo.edu> <C00C13.FqF@world.std.com> <1992Dec29.100929.710@uoft02.utoledo.edu> <1992Dec31.062052.17651@midway.uchicago.edu>
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- In article <1992Dec31.062052.17651@midway.uchicago.edu>, hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven hauptfeld) writes:
- > In article <1992Dec29.100929.710@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
- >>
- >>Right. But, and make an honest effort to understand this, the states can only
- >>give up the powers they have. See, just because they get together they do not
- >>get new powers ou of the coalition. If Georgia lacked the power to convict you
- >>for playing chess in Yugoland, it couldn't give the federal government the
- >>ability to do so. (If I lack the power to fly, and I give you all my ability to
- >>fly, you STILL can't fly. Or, if I lack the ability attach your assets, I can't
- >>give someone else the ability to attach your assets.)
- >
- > By this argument, no institution of the society could ever exist because it
- > couldn't have any abilities beyond the abilities of individuals. Police, army,
- > courts,... couldn't exist at any level.
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- You left you reasoning power at home today Sven.
-
- The people give up their some of their rights of self-protection by forming a
- police department.
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- They gave up their right to revenge when the gave up trial-by-combat in favor
- of courts. (Well, OK, Henry II forced it upon them, but you get the point.)
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- And, the army is the masses of people banding together for mutual self-defense.
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- If you think about this, the light just might come on...
-
- >
- >>
- >>Rights can only be transfered and limited, not created.
- >>
- > So how did we get any rights in the first place? (BTW, I won't buy any
- > arguments using `God'.)
-
- A right is a legal fiction which is considered to be valid for the purpose of
- helping create duties and obligations which promote a society which better
- serves the needs of its individuals.
-
- If you don't like that definition, you are stuck with 'from on high'. Sorry,
- that is just the way it is.
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- >
- > Sven
- >
-