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- From: jrb@Ingres.COM (John Black)
- Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
- Subject: Re: It is legal to play chess in Yugoslavia
- Message-ID: <1992Dec24.001423.23983@pony.Ingres.COM>
- Date: 24 Dec 92 00:14:23 GMT
- References: <1992Dec22.181439.15595@midway.uchicago.edu> <1992Dec23.120510.617@uoft02.utoledo.edu> <PHR.92Dec23124354@napa.telebit.com>
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- In article <PHR.92Dec23124354@napa.telebit.com> phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin) writes:
- > > Obligatory chess question: Does there exist a chess position in
- > > which Black has enough material to mate White in theory, but Black
- > > cannot mate White even with White's cooperation, while on the other
- > > hand White can mate Black without Black's cooperation?
- >
- > No. If it can be proven that black cannot mate white even with white's
- > cooperation, then it is impossible in theory for black to mate white.
- >
- > The two situations can not co-exists in our universe using our logic.
- >
- >This is an issue of semantics. The question asked about when
- >black has *enough material* to mate White, meaning there are
- >positions where Black could mate White with that material; however,
- >this does not have to be one of those positions (and Black can't
- >be able to reach such a position even with White's cooperation).
- >
- Correct. For example, in the following position Black has enough material
- to mate White, but Black cannot mate White even with White's cooperation:
-
- - - - - k - - -
- - - - - - - - - Using the "Winslow" notation for Pawns: o is BP, O is WP
- - o - o - o - o
- o O o O o O o O
- O - O - O - O -
- - - - - - - - -
- - - - - K - - -
- - - - - - - - -
-
- I am, of course, assuming that Black did not just play a7-a5, c7-c5, e7-e5 or
- g7-g5 allowing an en passant capture.
-
- Now to find a position where White has a forced win... that's another story.
- Ugh!
-
- john//
- jrb@ingres.com
-