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- From: ed@titipu.resun.com (Edward Reid)
- Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
- Subject: Re: Bike paths (FROM Re: Cycling and Environmentalism)
- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 08:56:59 EST(-0500)
- Organization: Accuracy, Ltd.
- Message-ID: <01010064.mgpird@titipu.resun.com>
- Reply-To: ed@titipu.resun.com (Edward Reid)
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- gsurbeck@eng.umd.edu (Gregory D. Surbeck) writes:
- > Some states have laws requiring a vehicle to pull off the road if more
- > than 5 cars are lined up behind it and it is not doing the speed
- > limit. The state of Washington ...
-
- This is simply not an issue on most roads, even busy ones. I rode from Seattle
- to Eugene this summer and never had more than two cars waiting to pass me, and
- that rarely. Of course, roads in the West often have paved shoulders, which
- are almost nonexistent in the East, and have wide lanes more often as well.
-
- My experience has been similar elsewhere, including SE Pennsylvania. Including
- city traffic.
-
- The simple fact is that if traffic is so heavy that a bicyclist causes five-car
- backups on a regular basis, then any anomaly in motorized traffic will also
- cause delays. One response of highway engineers is then to widen the lanes to
- 14 feet. With 14-foot lanes, most vehicles can pass bicycles safely in the
- same lane. The engineers may also modify the roads in ways less hospitable to
- bicycles, but they will not leave that situation alone.
-
- marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie) writes:
- ^^^^^^^^^^
- (What a wonderful name! May I borrow it?)
- > Automotorists tend to consider the space to the right of the centerline and
- > to the left of the shoulder to be theirs to use as they choose. If there is
- > no painted line at the right border of the motor portion of the travel
- > lane, an automotorist is likely to consume the entire space.
-
- Good. That's what we want them to do. If they stay at one edge, then they
- start making two lanes out of one. Once they do that, you do indeed have a
- nasty situation. In fact, this is why 14-foot lanes are recommended but not
- 16-foot lanes. Go to cities in the NE US and you will see auto drivers
- double-laning at the slightest opportunity.
-
- The motorist will move to the left side of the lane upon observing a bicyclist
- on the right. The fact that the motorist will use the center of the lane at
- other times is not a problem for bicyclists unless the motor traffic is moving
- more slowly than the bicyclists. Even then, there is generally plenty of space
- for bicyclists to pass on the right.
-
- One of the problems with painted bike lanes is specifically than motorists do
- *not* regard them as usable lanes. They make right turns from the left or
- center lanes rather than moving to the right. They tend to ignore traffic in
- the bike lane rather regarding it as part of the overall traffic pattern, thus
- decreasing the bicyclists' effective visibility, which I believe we all agree
- is dangerous.
-
- Edward Reid (8*}>
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