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- From: dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein)
- Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
- Subject: random musings re:EV
- Message-ID: <1992Dec28.012708.240@panix.com>
- Date: 28 Dec 92 01:27:08 GMT
- Organization: Panix, NYC
- Lines: 75
-
- (no flames please, I'm new to this stuff)
-
- 1) re: gasoline exploding: I'm a paramedic in NYC and have witnessed MANY
- car crashes. It is quite rare for the gasoline to leak more than a few
- ounces except in extremely rare and/or high velocity crashes.
- when it does leak, it is also quite rare for it to ignite.
- and.. when we -do- get fires, we do NOT (under normal circumstances) get
- any serious explosions.
-
- We do, however, see numerous SMALL explosions which are more of a noisy
- annoyance than anything serious. There are all sorts of contained
- locations in the car (i.e. tires for one) in which pressures will build up
- until the container is breached.
-
- But again, the hollywood type of explosion is EXTREMELY rare.
-
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-
- On the other hand, there is what is referred to as a BLEVE, or
- "Boiling Liquid Expanding Vapor Explosion." Not usually a problem
- with cars, but this can happen in, say, a tanker truck (or railroad) accident.
-
- If you take a container of propane liquid and keep heating it, you'll
- get to a point where courtesy of a) the increasing pressure, and b)
- weakening of the walls, there rwill be a massive and -rapid- failure of
- part of the container, causing a huge and sudden fuel leak. The results
- are quite dramatic....
- Incidentally, in cases of this sort, a water spray is aimed at the
- container to keep it cool, but NOT to put out the fire. A volunteer (in
- the highest level of the meaning) firefighter positions the hose, locks it
- in place, and runs away)
-
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- 2) Energy needed to maintin highway speed;
-
- Let's see, my car needs about 2 gallons/hr to cruise along the highway.
- Using the back of an envelope, that's 200,000 BTUs/hr. Figure on about
- 25% motor efficiency, so that's 50,000 BTU/hr.
-
- damn, don't have my CRC at hand, so coninuing with back of envelope.
-
- roughly 3.5 BTUs /watt, so 16Kw needed
-
- A horsepower is something like 700 watts, or .7 kw,
- so 16/.7= approx 22 Horsepower needed
-
- note: These figures are -very- rough, but certainly suggest that yes,
- indeed, the figure of a 5.5 hp neede by a well tuned Porsche might very
- well be correct. (BUT remember to multiply by four to cover engine
- in-efficiencies)
-
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-
- Energy storage: Capacitors
-
- Seems to me there have been some pretty fascinating advances in capacitor
- technology courtesy of the Strategic Defense Initiative. Does anybody
- have any info which can be shared with the public as to how much energy can be
- stored in something the size of a car battery? Figures from ten years ago
- are hopelessly out of date.
-
- Storage: flywheels
-
- the problems with catastrophic failure have been well described here. But
- a question (or suggestion): Back in the days when we had astronauts using
- single-fly space capsules, they had a heatshield attached which diverted
- atmospheric frying through the use of "ablative" coatings. Perhaps
- something of this sort, enmeshed in a high tensile strength blanket, could
- sufficiently slow down the destruction so as to give the people nearby a
- chance at survival? Afraid I don't even have a back of envelope for this.
-
- Thanks,
- Danny
- (dannyb@panix.com>
- <dburstein@mcimail.com>
-