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- Subject: Re: YALEM - "The Time Warrior"
- Message-ID: <1992Dec30.103821.549@rivers>
- Date: 30 Dec 92 10:38:20 -0600
- References: <1992Dec28.110606.534@rivers> <4651@vidiot.UUCP> <1992Dec29.110228.543@rivers> <1992Dec30.021108.20135@cs.ucf.edu>
- Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls
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- >>through.
- >
- > I think you be requiring that Lionheart employ experts for each show to be able
- > to say something has been edited.
-
- HANG ON A MINUTE EVERYONE!
-
- This is the second person now who has missed the point of my original posting.
- I was talking about an edit made to "The Time Warrior" IN THE BROADCAST
- VERSION OF THE STORY, not the Home Video. The Home Video is pristine and
- perfect and it's where I found the scene missing from the broadcast version.
-
-
- New releases clearly say that the videos are
- > original unedited recordings. I think it's common knowledge that all of the
- > old releases (i.e. movie format) videos are edited.
-
- Not all. The only edits made to many of them are the traditional cliffhanger
- ones that you get in a broadcast movie format, except that on these videos
- those edits are made cleaner and more complete than their broadcast
- counterparts.
-
- To date, I have seen all but "Day" and "Death" to/of the Daleks, "Robots
- of Death" and "Revenge of the Cybermen" on CBS/Fox.
- Videos which have been edited more than they should are "Pyramids of Mars,"
- "The Five Doctors," and "The Brain of Morbius."
-
- "Spearhead from Space," and "The Talons of Weng-Chiang" each contain one
- tiny, tiny edit each (Spearhead has a piece of music excised because it was
- a Fleetwood Mac tune and they couldn't get the clearance, but the footage
- is still there just minus the music, and Talons has some of a fight scene
- slightly cut so that it could fit the UK ratings system for violence.).
-
- "The Seeds of Death,"
- "The Time Warrior," "The Ark in Space," "Terror of the Zygons," and
- "The Deadly Assassin" are all completely complete with no edits at all from
- what I've seen in the broadcast versions, and in fact "Warrior" is an
- improvement because of the edit actually in the broadcast version.
- "Seeds" actually is the broadcast version, though.
-
-
- My way of fighting this is
- > to buy the new releases and not the old releases. I have everything on tape
- > already and I'm not going to buy a video just for the sake of a higher quality
- > movie format tape.
-
- But recall that in the stories I mentioned, the only edits are of the
- cliffhanger credits and in fact the melding of the episodes is done much
- better than the broadcast versions are. Additionally, the broadcast versions
- of the early Tom Baker stories are still those old Time/Life prints and
- thus the color is faded much more than it should be. I first noticed this
- when I saw "Pyramids" and could see the jagged edges on the CSO effects
- on the sarcophagus for the first time. Couldn't see them in the broadcast
- versions, or the wires holding up the TARDIS key either, which are plainly
- visible on the Video print.
-
- The fact that the new releases are episodic is what makes
- > me buy them. I urge others to do the same. Maybe the difference in sales
- > numbers might make them re-release the old ones (probably not - what do you do
- > recall the old ones?).
-
- Given the state of Who in the States, I urge eveyone to buy all of the
- videos, old and new alike, otherwise we may lose the line all together.
-
-
- >
- > On the topic of produced videos, I finally got around to getting Tomb. I told
- > one other person about this problem and his video had it too. In episode 4,
- > near the beginning, Toberman sits up on a table. The next scene is in front of
- > the tombs. When the camera zooms in on the tombs (I think the Cybermen are
- > sealing themselves in), there are several glitches in the scan lines. It is
- > very easy to see if the problem is there. It lasts about 5 seconds (during the
- > whole tomb zoom 8-). Can anyone verify it? or should I be returning mine? If
- > it's there and it's not on the master tape, this makes two CBS/Fox releases
- > with problems, the other being The War Games (which I know is not on the master
- > tape). CBS/Fox never replied to my letter about the problem.
- >
-
- "Tomb" does indeed have that problem, but for heaven's sake man, it's only
- five seconds. And by the way it looks to me, I think it's in the original
- master tape/film that was returned from Hong Kong because it looks like a
- film problem, not a video one.
- "War Games" has a few audio problems on the latter episodes, but I still take
- this version any day over the broadcast versions because episodes 7-9 on
- the broadcast versions are very murky and were not cleaned up AT ALL,
- unlike this video. I was well amazed that those prints could look as good
- as they do now.
-
-
- > I want to do my little bit to keep Doctor Who alive by buying the videos and
- > maybe a few novels, but I don't want to get screwed by the people who don't
- > really give a shit about the show, rather just the money.
- >
- > Tom
-
- It's because they only care about the money that any little boycotts that
- someone might try to start could get the entire line tossed out on its ear.
-
- Steven.K.Manfred
-
-