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- From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
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- Subject: Accuracy in Academia
- Message-ID: <1992Dec25.162003.18839@husc3.harvard.edu>
- Date: 25 Dec 92 21:20:02 GMT
- References: <BzMrpC.6BD@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <1992Dec21.231126.25984@eff.org> <85778@ut-emx.uucp>
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- In article <85778@ut-emx.uucp>
- jzimm@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Joann Zimmerman) writes:
-
- >Interesting question: Does "Rabelaisian" mean "like Rabelais, in the
- >spirit of Rabelais" or does it mean "specifically by Rabelais"?
- >
- >If the former, then a lot of stuff qualifies; if the latter, only
- >Rabelais himself will do.
- >
- >And are we taking "like Rabelais" to mean any of Rabelais' subject
- >matter, or limiting it to stuff that fits Bakhtin's definition of
- >"carnivalesque," which is at least as much (in my view) a social and
- >class definition as it is of subject matter. (Here, Jack Campin! Here!)
-
- Consider that, by Bakhtin's own lights, Rabelais is most unRabelaisian
- in the story of the Th\'el\`eme abbey, which is the culmination, and
- the most important part of _Gargantua_, as well as in the conclusion
- of the cycle, the counsel of the Oracle of the Divine Bottle.
- Notwithstanding the great historical merits of Bakhtin's work, it is
- marred by a profound and deliberate disregard of the fact that the
- aims of Rabelais were altogether orthogonal to the celebration of the
- carnivalesque.
-
- >I will digress at this point to recommend Michael Camille's _Image on
- >the Edge_, a discussion of the imagery in the margins of medieval
- >manuscripts. It is Camille's position that these marginal images
- >show societally marginal activities. Sex and defecation are most
- >prominent, and much reference is made to Bakhtin, carnival, Rabelais
- >and Foucault. I don't entirely agree with Camille's thesis for
- >methodological reasons (I just wrote a paper on all this) but it's
- >still an interesting book, and gives a rare glimpse into one of the
- >more bizarre byways of medieval studies.
-
- Speaking of methodological reasons, Camille is a shame to his alleged
- profession. Look carefully at his ludicrous transcription of the
- Latin texts, and tell me how his abject ignorance of grammar reflects
- on his competence as a mediaevalist. When the revolution comes,
- frauds like that will be the first to swing on the streetlights.
-
- >--
- >"Every passion borders on the chaotic, but the collector's passion
- >borders on the chaos of memories"
- > -- Walter Benjamin
- > ...!cs.utexas.edu!ccwf.cc.utexas.edu!jzimm
-
- cordially,
- mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
- "Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."
-