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- From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
- Subject: No Wise Man here (Re: *Any* kind of r.a.b split, or at least a *serious* discussion)
- Message-ID: <1992Dec25.173805.6739@spdcc.com>
- Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
- References: <1992Dec24.194250.11322@eff.org> <JMC.92Dec24163436@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> <1992Dec25.091537.28480@nevada.edu>
- Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 17:38:05 GMT
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- If Wise's wildly selfserving and maladroit plea is designed to promote his
- cause at the expense of Heather's, he's just shot himself in the foot.
- I suspect Heather can at least plead innocence by reason of undirected rage.
- Wise, on the other hand, maintains a pretense of reason.
-
- In article <1992Dec25.091537.28480@nevada.edu> wwhitman@nevada.edu (MICHAEL WISE) writes:
- >I don't feel I was in error when I characterized Stein as a fat, lazy
- >lesbian with a serious grudge against the more successful Hemingway.[...]
- >That she was fat, that she was a lesbian, is hardly in dispute;[...]
- >I consider these to be facts, and on a literary subject.
-
- Snort. Goodness, why didn't you go all the way and say she was a
- "fat, lazy, Jewish lesbian..." or a "fat, lazy Jew"? That she was
- fat, lazy or Jewish is hardly in dispute, right?
-
- Listen, pal: if you say that someone is a "fat, lazy X", it is generally
- assumed that "fat", "lazy" and "X" are each of them insults, and you don't
- get to weasel out of this by denying that this was your intention, unless
- you are a politician, which I guess most petit academics are. I don't
- think that people would feel comfortable reading a line like "fat, lazy Jew"
- in any kind of post on r.a.b which pretends to be something other than
- hate speech, and I invite those who glossed over your own delicate phrase
- to ask themselves what the difference is here. I also don't know why people
- would consider "fat" a suitable adjective in any attempt at literary criticism
- that didn't refer to someone's writing style. Whatever the merits of the
- literary argument (and I profess no opinion on this), your description of
- Stein was ugly and deserved comment. Thanks for giving us another opportunity.
-
- Oh, yeah: Merry Christmas to everyone else who might celebrate it today.
-
- --
- Steve Dyer
- dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
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