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- From: gaillard@panix.com (Ed Gaillard)
- Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
- Subject: Re: Bullshit (was: *Any* kind of r.a.b. split, or at least a *serious*
- Message-ID: <1992Dec25.011659.28630@panix.com>
- Date: 25 Dec 92 01:16:59 GMT
- References: <24DEC92.02382845@vax.clarku.edu> <1992Dec24.055702.6073@u.washington.edu> <24DEC92.06545989@vax.clarku.edu>
- Organization: Radio Free Hades
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- hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu continues flaming:
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- >I wrote:
-
- >>>Oh, bullshit. Bullshit! BULLSHIT!! There's no brand-new culture! There
- >>>are no new rules for politeness and propriety! What people like you have
- >>>to understand is: This group is not some kind of shadow play, this is Real
- >>>Life. You are talking to Real People.
-
- >Mike Godwin wrote:
-
- >>I strongly doubt that you and Barbara Hlavin have any significant
- >>disagreement on this particular issue.
-
- >Oh really? I will quote these words of Barbara's for you again:
-
- >>>>People who engage in what passes for communication here have to
- >>>>understand that we, collectively, form a brand-new culture, one
- >>>>that has a life of its own. Not everyone is comfortable with its
- >>>>manners and rituals as they've more or less evolved, just as not
- >>>>everyone in the world is comfortable eating with knives and forks,
- >>>>or with chopsticks; it's not Their Way. But it's the way it is
- >>>>*here*.
-
- >How would you interpret these remarks?
-
- The article you are quoting seems never to have arrived at this site,
- so I lack context, but... I wouldn't use the word "culture", but the
- net *is* a new medium, and *does* have its own style of discourse,
- which is still evolving. *You* are part of its evolution; take care
- that you help it evolve in a way you think *good*.
-
- >And let me again quote these words of Barbara's:
-
- >>>>this goes with the territory. One person's attempt at formality
- >>>>and courtesy will inevitably be interpreted by *some*one, *some*where
- >>>>as rudeness or indecisiveness. There's no end to the ways we are
- >>>>capable of misinterpreting one another.
-
- >And I said:
-
- >>>Ever read the Gettysburg Address?
-
- >*Have* you ever read it?
-
- >Can you say that any attempt at courtesy and politeness is rendered
- >meaningless because someone, somewhere, won't understand it? Is there no
- >common ground of civility? Of decency? Of honor?
-
- Do you believe that you have been civil, decent, and honorable in this
- debate? If so, I am afraid there is no such common ground.
-
- >If there is no such common ground, why do we bother talking at all?
-
- Because we love the sound of our own voices, of course. (do I need a
- 8^) here?)
-
- >Heather
- >HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
-
- -ed g.
- <gaillard@panix.com>
- I can't see the lines I used to think I could read between.
-