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- Path: sparky!uunet!stanford.edu!rutgers!cmcl2!panix!gaillard
- From: gaillard@panix.com (Ed Gaillard)
- Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
- Subject: Re: Bullshit (was: *Any* kind of r.a.b. split, or at least a *serious*
- Message-ID: <1992Dec25.005209.27526@panix.com>
- Date: 25 Dec 92 00:52:09 GMT
- References: <24DEC92.02382845@vax.clarku.edu>
- Organization: Radio Free Hades
- Lines: 85
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- hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:
-
- >Barbara Hlavin responded:
-
- >>Hey, this goes with the territory. One person's attempt at formality
- >>and courtesy will inevitably be interpreted by *some*one, *some*where
- >>as rudeness or indecisiveness. There's no end to the ways we are
- >>capable of misinterpreting one another.
-
- >Ever read the Gettysburg Address?
-
- Yes. Perhaps you could be so kind as to tell me why this isn't a
- non-sequitur?
-
- >>People who engage in what passes for communication here have to
- >>understand that we, collectively, form a brand-new culture, one
- >>that has a life of its own. Not everyone is comfortable with its
- >>manners and rituals as they've more or less evolved, just as not
- >>everyone in the world is comfortable eating with knives and forks,
- >>or with chopsticks; it's not Their Way. But it's the way it is
- >>*here*.
-
- >Oh, bullshit. Bullshit! BULLSHIT!! There's no brand-new culture! There
- >are no new rules for politeness and propriety! What people like you have to
- >understand is: This group is not some kind of shadow play, this is Real Life.
- >You are talking to Real People. People who can be irritated, have their
- >feelings hurt, be pleased, made joyful, and made furious. The same kind of
- >humans that we've always been throughout history, except that now we have a
- >quicker mode of communication. So we're allowed to be ruder now that we've
- >entered an age where one can communicate in three seconds rather than three
- >months? Bullshit. So we can allow a public group to be controlled by
- >whomever gets there first? Bullshit.
-
- Who do you think is "controlling" this group, exactly? I was unaware
- that it was moderated or censored.
-
- > I would venture a guess that everyone
- >who reads this group knows something about books, and would probably be able
- >to contribute something useful to this discussion, however stupid it might
- >seem to some others in the group. That's the purpose of this discussion, to
- >get these elements out into the open. Everyone who reads netnews who's
- >interested in something connected to the vague title rec.arts.books should
- >feel able to contribute. Maybe this is too broad a definition for you. If
- >you want a cozy little enclave where select like minds can commune, it isn't
- >here. Go somewhere else. This is a public forum.
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
-
- Is any comment necessary here?
-
- >Barbara, you and others have done better than I possibly could at
- >illustrating the cliquish attitude among some contributors to r.a.b. The
- >hilarious thing is, the few of you have no idea that, in fact, you've been
- >living in a dream world.
-
- Only a paragaph ago, this was Real Life!
-
- > You believe that you've been existing in some
- >exalted state, in some walled-off duchy in which you can make your own rules
- >about who's going to discuss what, and when, and how.
-
- You are missing the most basic fact about the net-world, which is:
- Each participant in this group makes his own rules about what, when,
- and how he will post. Nobody makes rules about anyone else's
- postings, except whether to read them or respond to them.
-
- >Let me tell you this
- >again, because it needs repeating: This is the Real World! There are many,
- >many different people reading this group, and lots of different people who
- >want to contribute, and who should *feel* as though they are able to
- >contribute, even though they don't belong to some "private club". If you
- >raise a ruckus at their wanting to contribute, fine, be a jerk. If you
- >insist that there's this bizarre "divine right of r.a.b." that all newcomers
- >have to acknowledge, you're full of shit. Why is this so fucking hard to
- >understand?
-
- In other words, *you* want to make rules about the discussions on
- this group. You also seem to have your own "rules about politeness
- and propriety".
-
- >Heather
- >HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
-
- -ed g.
- <gaillard@panix.com>
- I have no clique, but my computer hums and buzzes.
-