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- From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
- Subject: Re: talk.politics.usa.conservative (Was: Re: RFD: talk.politics.patriot)
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- In article <1992Dec31.033011.3349@afit.af.mil> wbralick@afit.af.mil (Will Bralick) writes:
- >In article <BzqrD5.8JC@polaris.async.vt.edu> jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (J. Furr) writes:
- >| Which is why I recommend putting the word "usa" in the name. That way,
- >| any Australians who have an idea that conservative means "green" or
- >| "nature" politics will look at it and say "'talk.politics.usa.con-
- >| servative'. Well, that's a group that's about American politics. Let's go
- >| back to aus.conserve and hang out."
- >
- >But conservatism isn't just an American phenomenon (Edmund Burke is
- >credited (by Russell Kirk) as being the first modern conservative
- >and he was Scottish). Most American conservatives would agree that
- >Mrs. Thatcher is a conservative. Isn't the political party she headed
- >called the Conservative Party? Did the Aussies think that Mrs. Thatcher
- >was a Green? I personally prefer that the scope of the discussion not
- >be (implicitly) limited to the US.
-
- I'm sorry, but according to Peter da Silva, the word "Conservative" is
- used almost everywhere to mean ecological-conservation etcetera, not a
- political viewpoint. Unfortunately, this means that you can't possibly be
- right in stating that "conservative" has a political meaning in England
- and Scotland.
-
- >| If there were a us. hierarchy, I'd say "put this group there." But as
- >| mail trickles in from people explaining the us. hierarchy to me, I'd say
- >| that it's not real likely to be a functioning hierarchy anytime soon.
- >| Thus, the least ambiguous name would be "talk.politics.usa.conservative".
- >
- >Yet another consideration is that conservatism is not just about
- >politics -- it has a cultural focus, too. In the West this is usually
- >tied to the canon of Western thought (cf. the Great Books of the Western
- >World), real (tm) art and music ;-), ethics and morals, etc. So the
- >*.politics.* hierarchy might not be appropriate, either.
- >
- >So, how about talk.culture.conservative? Culture is the broader term and
- >this formulation would avoid confusion with the politicized conservation
- >movement.
-
- It would also have nothing at all to do with the original point of the
- CFD, to discuss issues viewed as "patriotic" by members of the American
- political right.
-