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- From: royce@splunge.uucp
- Subject: Re: Holiday NeXT Sale!!
- Message-ID: <1993Jan3.022608.643@splunge.uucp>
- Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood
- References: <1992Dec31.074242.11117@crl.com> <1993Jan1.062646.13689@cs.yale.edu>
- Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 02:26:08 GMT
- Lines: 81
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- nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes:
-
- >In article <1992Dec31.074242.11117@crl.com> smg@orb.com (Samuel M.
- >Goldberger) writes:
-
- >> To resolve this matter, henceforth I shall post brief
- >> notes here, with pointers to the exiting
- >> biz.next.newproducts group, together with an
- >> invitation to send email for more complete information.
- >>
- >> I've enjoyed this discussion, and have been gratified by
- >> the expressions of support, but I think an equable
- >> solution is at hand. Does this make sense?
-
- >Sounds reasonable to me. Should we use just
- >biz.next.newprod, or should we go ahead with a call for
- >discussion for the creation of biz.next.marketplace? I
- >think many vendors would use such a group,
- >especially if pointers to it where in the FAQ and
- >posted in this group on a regular basis.
-
- I'm having a little trouble, so if some of the following text made it
- out once already, my apologies.
-
- I figure, if we're going to move these sorts of posts somewhere else,
- let's move them somewhere that makes the best sense. Moving posts
- about commercial sale of new and used hardware and software into a group
- called "...newprod" doesn't seem like as good a fit or something called
- "...marketplace". Then again, my feed doesn't carry the biz.* hierarchy,
- so I don't know what the biz.next.newprod charter covers.
-
- If it's worth doing, it's worth doing all the way, IMHO. And, yes, I
- do think it's worth doing. By way of explaining why, for those who
- still don't know why we should worry about this stuff, an excerpt from
- the Febuary '92 NSFNET acceptable use document, as quoted by Ed Krol's
- book "The Whole Internet". NSFNET is one of the main US Internet backbones.
-
- "General Principle:
- - NSFNET Backbone services are provided to support open research and
- education in and among U.S. research and instructional institutions,
- plus research arms of for-profit firms when engaged in open scholarly
- communication and research. Use for other purposes is not acceptable.
-
- Specifically Acceptable Uses:
- [...statements regarding academic, research and government uses...]
-
- Unacceptable Uses:
- - Use for for-profit activities (consulting for pay, sales or administration
- of campus stores, sale of tickets to sports events, and so on) or use by
- for-profit institutions unless covered by the General Principle or as a
- specifically acceptable use.
- - Extensive use for private or personal business.
-
- This statement applies to use of the NSFNET Backbone only. NSF expects
- that connecting networks will formulate their own use policies. The NSF
- Division of networking and Communications Research and Infrastructure
- will resolve any questions about this policy or its interpretation."
-
- This document is available via anonymous ftp from nic.merit.edu as
- /nsfnet/acceptable.use.policies/nsfnet.txt. It explains why the issue
- here is not whether NeXT and its customers need all the help they can
- get (we do, who doesn't?), or whether Sam and others are nice guys who
- are offering valuable information (they are, mostly), but that the people
- who pay money to establish the Internet infrastructure we're using (many
- of us for free) have defined parameters of use, a major one of which is
- commercial-oriented traffic created by/for for-profit organizations.
-
- If we don't ourselves regulate this sort of traffic in line with network
- providers' acceptable use policies, they may decide to regulate it for us.
-
- Sorry to go on at such length, especially when some people (including Sam)
- have already agreed that the move to biz.* is okay, and others have said
- "shut up" or "get out of this group", but it seemed important to post these
- things to help bring proper closure to this discussion, and it seemed
- expedient to do it here to catch those who have been following the thread.
-
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