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- From: D0220@AppleLink.Apple.COM (American Zettler, David Every,PAS)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.oop.macapp3
- Subject: Re2: Bedrock News & Beyond
- Message-ID: <724961249.0264667@AppleLink.Apple.COM>
- Date: 21 Dec 92 17:57:00 GMT
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- I would imagine a Taligent Based Framework, would have a lot in common with
- MacApp (considering where many of the people came from)... the difference
- probably being that the OS (and its routines) are optimized for the framework
- (or are part of the framework itself). So this is where I want to be.... when
- it becomes availible... and of course there will be a couple of years lag time
- until the new computer/OS is accepted at large.
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- The toughest part OOP is all the lost productivity. Yes, MacApp is saving
- me time over traditional procedural developement... and it has sheltered me
- from the toolbox (somewhat)... now I get to spend my time figuring out how the
- framework wants something done, instead of how the toolbox wants something
- done... and when I go to a different framework I get to learn it over again. I
- have gained productivity short term, and been given a taste of the future...
- but like giving a starving child a single meal, what about tommorow?
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- There is Component Workshop, which I hear from everyone is great... except,
- it is too damn pricey for the average small developer. Which (to me) means it
- is unlikely to be accepted as a standard. And if it isn't likely to become a
- standard, why would I spend my time learning an environment that wont help my
- Resume? And this also brings up the question about how long the company will be
- around (do we really need another proprietary, high priced development
- environment, even if it is really good?)... Instead of trying to grab market
- share the company is trying to make money off a first generation, unproven,
- product... good luck... I sincerely hope they have good V.C.
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- MacApp... apple has let the ball drop on 2.0 (no support, or good
- translation tools)... we hear the same for 3.0... but its O.K. because we have
- Bedrock (Yet another framework). At least this framework is cross platform, so
- it will look good on a resume, and there is a chance that the development
- environment will be easy to work with. Think-Environments are easy(er) to work
- with than MPW. (MPW is fine, but just a tad archaic... ObjectMaster is good
- editing, but is not an integrated environmnent... and many things, like
- renaming a method are still an impossibility (more work than its worth).) Of
- course Bedrock is not optimized for Macintosh/Toolbox, nor is it optimized for
- an OOP based OS... and things us OOP developers need, like; dynamic linking,
- auto-magic memory/object managment, source code, and cheap licensing fees, and
- a low cost environmnet... are still a huge '?'
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- But we should wear peril sensitive sunglassed (the kind that turn black
- when danger is near, so we dont have to see it)... Dont look towards tommorow,
- face the day, and be thankful for the OOP tools you've got.
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- Dave Every.
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