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- From: dsiebert@icaen.uiowa.edu (Doug Siebert)
- Subject: Re: Smartcom II offer ?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec22.225014.7331@icaen.uiowa.edu>
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- Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa
- References: <1992Dec21.023526.9873@icaen.uiowa.edu> <6595.2b36e861@hayes.com>
- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:50:14 GMT
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- bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman) writes:
-
- >In article <1992Dec21.023526.9873@icaen.uiowa.edu>, dsiebert@icaen.uiowa.edu (Doug Siebert) writes:
- >>
- >> I'll chime in and second (or is it fourth by now?) this as well. It is
- >> patently ridiculous to claim a limitation of your program is a "feature"
- >> providing better VT102 emulation than other programs.
-
- >I don't think it is "patently ridiculous" at all. First of all, I don't
- >claim this is a "feature." It is just the way the current program works.
- >There are several reasons for this, and one of them is the dedication to
- >rigorous emulation. (In light of comments received here and in mail,
- >some of that dedication may be misplaced)
-
- If there are other reasons for this (such as speed of the emulator or
- simplicity in coding it, then I can accept that as a reason. You seemed to
- imply before that the only reason for this was because a VT102 has only 24
- lines. I stand by my "patently ridiculous" quote if the only reason that the
- program provides 24 lines is because of VT102 emulation -- there are at least
- 1000 people using a VT100/102 emulation for every 1 person using a real VT102
- or VT100, I'd imagine, and most of those 1000 have at least the option to size
- their screen differently. And Unix (and probably VMS et al) provide simple
- methods for the user to tell the system how large his or her window is and
- use the entire window, rather than just the top 24 lines.
-
-
- >> I've heard of one
- >> comm program (I think it is for the PC) that claims to emulate the VT100
- >> *perfectly*. It goes so far as to have a switch which allows you to turn
- >> on/off the bugs present in a real life VT100!
-
- >Pray tell, which emulator is this?
-
- I can't remember the name, unfortunately, or I'd have posted it. Perhaps some
- readers familiar with the PC world can post the name of this program? I did
- find it rather humorous at the time, but I suppose somewhere out there there
- is software that expects those VT100 bugs to be present. I know that the
- 'vttest' package for Unix that tests your emulation of a VT100 has a section
- to check for the presence of known VT100 bugs.
-
-
- >> Why not have an 'anal' switch
- >> for Smartcom II, which greys out the option real users want for controlling
- >> the number of lines?
-
- >Come on! I'm not being dogmatic here. I opened the question to input. I'm
- >listening. I'm taking notes. And you proceed to blast me as being 'anal' for
- >a design decision made years ago on the basis of the information on hand at
- >the time. Give me a break. That's no way to convince me.
-
- I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to flame. I just think that going so far in an
- emulation that you can't have other than 24 lines is a bit much, and most
- users would probably agree that it would be unnecessarily restrictive to not
- even allow the presence of an option to change the number of lines, and those
- who wish a pure and exact VT102 emulation can leave it at 24. I think it is
- a laudable goal to pursue exact emulation, but it is important recognize some
- users may wish a few non-standard elements adding to their emulation that the
- VT102 doesn't support. I assume Smartcom II provides scripting and macros,
- even though such options were not present on a VT102 :-)
-
-
- >> I have only a Mac Plus, so you'd probably think I wouldn't care about this.
- >> But I do, quite a bit actually. I run 'screen' on the Unix host I connect to,
- >> which really needs a status line. It can run with 24 lines, but it is much
- >> more convenient to have 25, which my Plus has the room for. I simply wouldn't
- >> use a comm program, no matter how good it was in any other way, if it didn't
- >> provide me the capability for 25 lines.
-
- >Actually, screen size in the terminal has nothing to do with screen size on
- >the computer. The (virtual) terminal could be any reasonable size, and its
- >display is then mapped to the scrolling window of the program.
-
- >So, even on a Mac Plus, you could have 2000 lines by 256 characters. You
- >just wouldn't be able to see much of it.
-
- Well the point was that I need to be able to *see* 25 lines at a time. And
- certainly if I upgraded to a newer Mac with a larger screen, I'd want even
- more than 25 lines. This doesn't worry me though, since my next computer
- will probably be a NeXT or a PowerPC machine of some sort ;-)
-
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