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From: [e-mail] (Mark Whetzel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.rt
Subject: Re: SCSI-DISKS
Summary: SCSI notes .. I used AIX
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: 29 Dec 92 11:41:31 GMT
References: <[e-mail]>
Organization: StarTrek and Lionel trains fan, Missouri City, TX
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Allon herman) writes:
> I am trying to install a non IBM scsi disk on my RT (running AOS 4.3).
> I am also aware that there has been recently a discussion regarding this topic
> in this newsgroup. I will be most thankful to the person who can tell me if
> and where can I find old articles that were posted on this newsgroup.

Those discussions on SCSI disks were most likely by myself.
However.. I was using AIX and non-IBM SCSI disks.  Can be done, just have
to trick AIX and VRM into configing the disks.
I did not get into gory details on how I tricked AIX and VRM.
For AOS however.. I don't have it, so I don't know what would be
needed.

Here part of the article I posted on differential SCSI cut up to contain
some of the relavant info on RT scsi.

Subject: Re: What is differential SCSI?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:46:41 GMT
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

> |> You can run NON-IBM SCSI disks on the IBM SCSI adapter.  As long as
> |> they are either native differential, or run thru a Rancho diff-to-single
> |> converter box.

> Is this convertor a two way thing?

Yes the converter is BI-DIRECTIONAL...  It HAS to be...
There are several companies that manufacture the DIFF <--> SINGLE converters,
in addition to Rancho Technology, but that vendor makes the ones that I have
personally used.

The box is more complex than looks on the surface, as EACH pair of
differential signals and each single ended lead is BI-DIRECTIONAL.  It is
truely a PARALLEL BUS.  That is why it is called a SCSI BUS.  :-)
The converter must arbritate and decide which end is "speaking" and drive
the leads for the other side, and "listen" to the talking device.  Remember
in a SCSI bus, even though there is a "initatior" and a "target".  The
target devices are intelligent.  They can be given a command by the host,
disconnect from the bus, perform the command, arbitrate for the bus, and
re-connect asyncronously and deliver status information.  Independently
of operations pending or ongoing on other devices on the same bus.
Some target devices can themselves become initiators, allowing a
disk drive to back itself up to a tape drive.. At least in theory...
I don't think that anybody has MADE one that does that... :-)
You can also have TWO hosts attached to the same bus, sharing a
common device.  HOWEVER.. Both host adapters would need to
co-ordinate access to the device, and beware of hidden terminators on
most HOST interface boards.  Specs indicate that terminators should only
be on EACH end of the bus.  Also the host adapter in the other computer
must be changed to a different unique SCSI address  (range from 0 thru 7),
than either the attached device or other host computer.

The IBM RT/PC SCSI board from IBM is designed to DIFFERENTIAL SCSI specs.
There are two wires for each signal lead, when one goes hi, the other goes
low, in a push-pull arangement.
Differential SCSI on shielded cable will allow up to 25 Meters total cable
length.  Single ended cable length total bus length is 6 meters.
Both bus types allow for up to 8 devices (initatiors OR targets) on one bus,
provided that the total cable length is not exceded.

Most PC and workstation vendors sell SINGLE ended SCSI devices.  Single-ended
devices have only ONE lead is used per signal line.  The interface is
slightly simpler electronicly is the primary reason, and most devices are
usually "under the covers" of the host machine anyway, and don't need the
extra cable length or noise immunity that differential scsi provides.

SO you could end up with this:

 +----+
 |    |              +--------+                   +------+   +------+
 | RT |  DIFF SCSI   |        |   single-ended    |      |   |      |
 |    |--------------+  CONV  | ------------------+ DEV1 +---+ DEV2 +-- T
 |    |  up to       |        |   total length    |      |   |      |
 |    |  25 meters   +--------+   6 meters to     +------+   +------+
 +----+                           the terminator.

T = Terminator

NOTE:  The converter has no concept of IN or OUT.  It can have a
single ended host, and differential devices just as easily.

You can also  do this:

   Single                                                         single
   ended  <-- *N1 --> CONV <--- differential -- *N2 ---> CONV <-- ended --T
   host                                                           device
                                                                  *N3
*N1 - There could be single ended device(s) here..  6 Meters..
*N2 - And differential device(s) attached here...  25 Meters
*N3 - and of course single ended device(s) here..   6 Meters.
T   - Terminator.  The ranco converters have built in terminators for
      the differential AND the single-ended buses.
As long as there are no more that 8 total scsi controller devices.

The EXTREME example above actually has THREE buses.  Two single ended,
and one differential!
For a total cable length of 37 meters!  Mind you, this is pushing all
devices to their maximum specs, and there could be timing problems.
Especially if you had devices attached at all the points indicated.
AND if especially fast devices are nvolved.
The converter box DOES introduce some delay when switching bus directions.
Devices attached at the N1 and N2 spots on the buses shown in the last
example, MUST have no internal termination installed.. Usually a small resistor DIP or SIP pack, sometimes termination be enabled/disabled by jumpers.

Later,
markw
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