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- From: palane@iastate.edu (Paul A. Lane)
- Subject: Re: Why memory costs doubled
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- References: <1992Nov13.181714.1835@dcatlas.dot.gov> <BzzID0.1zC@fc.hp.com> <palane.725578726@pv7426.vincent.iastate.edu> <1992Dec29.212413.15066@mksol.dseg.ti.com> <palane.725673526@pv7427.vincent.iastate.edu> <1992Dec30.191314.7537@mksol.dseg.ti.com>
- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:53:23 GMT
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- Apologies to all if they think this arguement has gotten too drawn out,
- but it is interesting and of some relevence.
-
- In <1992Dec30.191314.7537@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
-
- >>IBM and Micron Technology, though there's been rumors of TI working on
- >>high density chips.
-
- >IBM only makes DRAM for their own systems, so I wasn't counting them.
- >TI, on the other hand, does sell DRAM (and is currently the largest
- >domestic producer, I think -- I don't know, though; I do weapons, not
- >chips).
-
- I had heard that IBM was planning on selling components to other computer
- makers, including their SLC processors. If not the current densities, I'm
- almost certain that they'll be selling 16MB chips. Economies of scale
- argue in favor of such an arrangement.
-
- I wrote:
-
- >>They [U.S. memory manufactuers]
- pulled up stakes and left the market before it became profitable again.
- >>Short term smart. Long term stupid. That's why you can find no mass-market
- >>consumer electronics made in the U.S. and only one domestic TV set (Zenith).
-
- >A company can only sustain losses for so long. For those folks who
- >had DRAM as their major source of income, they quite simply went broke
- >trying to compete with dumped product, with the government waiting too
- >long to step in. You can describe it is "pulled up stakes and left
- >the market before it became profitable again" if you like, but there
- >is a limit to the quantity of loss that ANY company can take.
-
- True. This is an area in which narrowly focused domestic manufacturers
- could not make it whereas Japanese conglomerates could. TI is a broadly
- based corporation and Micron Technology is bankrolled by J.R. Simplott,
- the potato king. (You wouldn't believe how much of Idaho business is con-
- trolled by the man.)
-
- American computer makers, with the exception of IBM, are not interested in
- becoming vertically integrated (components to systems) and did not care
- what source they used for memory. It is unfortunate that the smaller compa-
- nies making memory were not aided. With gross margins being what they were
- at the time, Compaq and Apple could have easily afforded it.
-
- It is worth noting that American semiconductor companies are healthy. Mem-
- ory became a commodity product and these companies moved into value-added
- chips. At the moment, the companies being hurt by the S. Koreans are Jap-
- anese.
-
- What bothers me more is theft of intellectual property, widely practiced
- by Japan and China. It is common practice for a company to file a patent
- application and wait ages for approval while their technology is copied.
- Not to mention companies copying products and making slight changes to
- void challenges (or even challenging the original patent owenr).
-
- Paul
-
-